Trehopr1 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:21 am Many thanks for joining the forum !

Thank you, I'm glad I'm able to contribute!

I understand completely. By the time I retired last July, my brain was mush!

Here is an old article of mine that may be helpful when you start exploring Lee County:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ty_Florida

I very much enjoy reading your informative posts JVCalhoun.
They have insights, sound reasoning, and are tactfully presented.
Many thanks for joining the forum !

Thanks John perhaps I should reread it. My brain is fried.

I’m looking forward to stomping around that area to see what’s there now.

Lehnert (2010) is indeed a PhD dissertation. From what I can tell, the material he examined was from no farther south than Sebring in Highlands County, which is really considered to be in central Florida. I don't see where he discusses southern maynardi to be a different "race" than that farther north in Florida. Instead, he makes comparisons of phenotypes between Sebring and the panhandle, where the suture zone is located. The cline he mentions therefore seems to be between maynardi and glaucus, not two "races" or populations of maynardi. Please let me know if I'm interpreting his research incorrectly. I've not noticed any morphological differences between populations in central and southern Florida, which are all strikingly large and impressive, especially later in the season. I observed an individual in my yard just the other day (Clearwater area), and it was a smaller spring phenotype.

As for glaucus not occurring in the Ft. Myers area, there are at least 54 observations on iNat from around Ft. Myers, dated 2008-2024. Also, I have one male from Lee County (in which Ft. Myers is located) from 1983, and two males from southeastern Collier County, also from 1983. These are all truly from southern Florida, and to me they look just like those I have from as far north as Alachua County (Gainesville).

Another outstanding pair of hard to find delias !
This one is similar to that "Uber" superb Delias bagoe species.
Thank you so much nomad for kindly sharing all these gorgeous and hard to find species with us here !

Yeah I think I remember reading that. Wasn’t it his PhD thesis? I thought because they hybridized, the populations formed a cline, and therefore were regarded as one ssp.

Well, eating in captivity is different than what the females prefer to oviposit on in nature!

adamcotton wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:00 pm Maybe a relatively recent distribution gap developed, and they haven't diverged yet.

Adam.

BTW, the new species made Miami Herald! https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 16994.html

and same article picked up by Biloxi Sun Herald https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-w ... 16994.html

on ssp maynardi: Lehnert (2010) did extensive comparisons based on the usual stuff, plus color analysis, but unfortunately MtDNA and other tests were not mature enough at the time. His analysis demonstrated there are two races, a northern and a southern in FL, and that they were likely separated for some period during high sea levels, but now hybridize in central FL.

Amen. Great work!

jhyatt wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:16 pm

Many years ago we vacationed on Sanibel for a week or so, and I tried collecting around that part of the state. Found almost nothing flying, but I did see an amazing number of mosquito-fogger trucks roaming around. I think Lee Co. might be too oversprayed for there to be many leps.

Ironically, that had not occurred to me, though it's obvious. You're probably right. I did search on the favored foodplant of P. g. maynardi though, and that's not in the area.

I do note that often a species will be reported as polyphagus, and I suppose technically is, but is generally only found on one. IIRC P palmedes has three plants it will eat, but if you overlay the iNat range map of palmedes with the larval food plants, it's clear that it really only eats one.

Chuck wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:26 pm

jhyatt wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:34 am

Chuck wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:41 am Problem is it’s just a bit over budget.

Chuck,

Hang in there. I'm intrinsically stingy, but recently when I debating buying something, my wife asked me pointedly "Which old age are you saving it for?" She's finally getting me to loosen up a bit. Wish it had happened a bit earlier!

jh

You bought a new Corvette C8???

Speaking of which, having last week been in Florida, I am pretty certain that in Florida, when a man turns 85 he gets free new Corvette C8. Every C8 in FL is driven by a man 85+ YO, and it seems every 85+YO is driving a new C8. Something to look forward to. Except we did watch one gent try to get out of his, repeatedly smashing the door of a $90,000 auto into a railing.

Nothing so exciting, Chuck. As I recall, it was just a new mattress or somthing. Fortunately I'm not quite old enough for a C8 yet...

Many years ago we vacationed on Sanibel for a week or so, and I tried collecting around that part of the state. Found almost nothing flying, but I did see an amazing number of mosquito-fogger trucks roaming around. I think Lee Co. might be too oversprayed for there to be many leps.

The very beautiful male and female of Delias salvini from Eastern New Britain, Baining Mountains

Indeed, and the distinctly pointed palps.

Adam.

adamcotton wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:55 am

benihikage92 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:35 am That's Hestina assimilis, not Euripus consimilis, Adam.

Kuni

Kuni,

Thank you, my error!

Anyway it is definitely not a Papilio as stated in the post containing the photo.

Adam.

First clue in the photo would be four legs instead of six in Papilio.

Wow, spectacular work Vernon. Thanks for coming back and sharing it.

jhyatt wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:34 am

Chuck wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:41 am Problem is it’s just a bit over budget.

Chuck,

Hang in there. I'm intrinsically stingy, but recently when I debating buying something, my wife asked me pointedly "Which old age are you saving it for?" She's finally getting me to loosen up a bit. Wish it had happened a bit earlier!

jh

You bought a new Corvette C8???

Speaking of which, having last week been in Florida, I am pretty certain that in Florida, when a man turns 85 he gets free new Corvette C8. Every C8 in FL is driven by a man 85+ YO, and it seems every 85+YO is driving a new C8. Something to look forward to. Except we did watch one gent try to get out of his, repeatedly smashing the door of a $90,000 auto into a railing.

Update

I downloaded all of my notes on MST (Papilio solstitius) from both the archive and active forums into MS Word. Then I edited them to remove off-topic stuff, and to format nicely. Then PDF that.

PDFd various lists of paratypes submitted (over 40 but in the end we used only three), BOLD analyses & IDs, and various other supporting documents.

I combined the Zookeys paper, my three annual reports for the state, and the above documents using Adobe online. If you just go to Adobe it tries to get you to do a "free trial" but if you search "combine PDFs" it gives a direct link into Adobe, and I was able to combine them all into one PDF, no problems, no account, no "free trial", no credit card. Just about the only easy thing I've done in a year. 258 pages in total. The PDF is 64Mb so won't be easily mailed around.

Using Barnes & Noble self publishing online (I have a free account) I uploaded said single PDF. Note that B&N provides a set of very specific page sizes, and you MUST fit one of those sizes. Fortunately the PDF page sizes matched one of the B&N sizes (this is, unfortunately, a rare case- usually whatever document I have doesn't fit their sizes.)

B&N wants a cover design, and it too must be EXACTLY the right size. B&N's size is of course not something common like 8.5" x 11" since the cover is always a big larger than the pages. I used MS Powerpoint and was able to set the exact page size to match B&N. Then used PP to design a front cover, and a back cover, and PDFd those, and uploaded the covers to B&N.

Because of the page count B&N will only do soft cover, which stinks because I prefer hard cover. But I can't complain about price, it's $20 printed in color to my door. I should have it in a couple weeks.

As a side note, I published a hardbound 240 page reference book using Blurb, and that costs me about $100 per copy. So B&N is a bit more work up front, but it's a heck of a lot less expensive that those full-service self publishing and photo book publishing (e.g., Shutterfly) companies.

That way, if I kick (or, when I kick) there's a hardcopy reference as opposed to finding these obscure documents buried in NYS file folders and online.

Yes, Euripus consimilis is similar but has a different wing shape. I got confused by the presence of the red spots, see https://yutaka.it-n.jp/apa/750300010.html

Adam.

adamcotton wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:56 pm That's Euripus consimilis (Nymphalidae). I suppose it could be a Danaine mimic.

Adam.

Looking on iNat, I find Hestina assimilis ssp. formosana

Can't post pics because my anti-virus software says the photo hosting platform I've used has a virus.

I thought it looked like a Papilio, oh dear it's in the wrong drawer.