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adamcotton · by adamcotton » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:55 am

benihikage92 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:35 am That's Hestina assimilis, not Euripus consimilis, Adam.

Kuni

Kuni,

Thank you, my error!

Anyway it is definitely not a Papilio as stated in the post containing the photo.

Adam.

benihikage92 · by benihikage92 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:35 am

That's Hestina assimilis, not Euripus consimilis, Adam.

Kuni

jhyatt · by jhyatt » Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:34 am

Chuck wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:41 am Problem is it’s just a bit over budget.

Chuck,

Hang in there. I'm intrinsically stingy, but recently when I debating buying something, my wife asked me pointedly "Which old age are you saving it for?" She's finally getting me to loosen up a bit. Wish it had happened a bit earlier!

jh

vabrou · by vabrou » Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:16 am

26-month study of the clearwing moths of Caddo Parish, Louisiana on a tree farm, 27 pages. Several undescribed species were identified. Very detailed information concerning semiochemical lures used over the past half century in louisiana, USA.

freely accessible Link to downloadable pdf: https://www.academia.edu/127900712/The_ ... isiana_USA

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collector · by collector » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:19 pm

adamcotton wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:10 am I asked Yutaka Inayoshi, and he said it is Penthema michallati michallati Janet, 1894, see https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/40570010.html for a little more information, but no photos.

Adam.

Thanks Adam.
Bedros

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:00 pm

Maybe a relatively recent distribution gap developed, and they haven't diverged yet.

Adam.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:58 pm

Oh, and there's a huge size difference, E. consimilis is maybe 3-4cm across spread, whereas Penthema is nearer 10cm.

Adam.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:56 pm

That's Euripus consimilis (Nymphalidae). I suppose it could be a Danaine mimic.

Adam.

eurytides · by eurytides » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:08 pm

There are two races of maynardi?? This is news to me. So why aren’t the races two different subsp? How can one subspecies have two races? What am I missing??

Chuck · by Chuck » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:42 pm

Looks a lot like this Papilio from Taiwan. Must be regional mimicry with similar pairs of sp. mimics?

Chuck · by Chuck » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:37 pm

eurytides wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:19 pm You know what they say, plant it and they will come. There have been countless times where I thought an area was devoid of some species, but upon searching the food plants, I find larvae or ova. Are you in maynardi territory by any chance??

Nope. The two races of maynardi are north, and south. Hybrid zone is east. But oddly there aren't any in Ft Myers area (because of food plant.) Sucks, doesn't it?

BTW your edits were great. Chris Schmidt did add a lot to the paper, but your content is all there, and that is often what's missing from new sp descriptions.

eurytides · by eurytides » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:21 pm

Also, my edits weren’t apparently that great either lol. Chris basically rewrote the thing. I think he kept 1-2 paragraphs lol.

eurytides · by eurytides » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:19 pm

You know what they say, plant it and they will come. There have been countless times where I thought an area was devoid of some species, but upon searching the food plants, I find larvae or ova. Are you in maynardi territory by any chance??

Chuck · by Chuck » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:57 pm

eurytides wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:21 pm Sorry Chuck, I didn’t think I “slaughtered” the manuscript lol. I actually thought you happy with the edits.

Slightly off topic, but your new place in FL, are you within the range of Callosamia securifera? Would be amazing to raise that species.

Your critique was, of course, invaluable. I was just shocked at how much critique there was of my "perfect" draft. LOL. It was, also of course, necessary and why we have others look at our work. Not even to mention the spectacular insights you had of the larval stages.

Oddly enough, where we're moving in FL is for some reason a dead zone. C securifera, and in fact P glaucus, occur an hour north, and hour south, and hour east...but not there. Generally it looks like a foodplant issue for most species absent from the vicinity, though I have yet to ascertain why the foodplants aren't there; I know so little about the micro-ecosystems.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:10 am

I asked Yutaka Inayoshi, and he said it is Penthema michallati michallati Janet, 1894, see https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/40570010.html for a little more information, but no photos.

Adam.

wollastoni · by wollastoni » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:03 am

Very few collectors have been to New Ireland in the 1980s. It must have been impressive indeed !

And yes, it is very difficult to find these species, that are not for sale on the market. You need a very good network, money and luck.

wollastoni · by wollastoni » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:30 am

Pronophilini is a terra incognita for most of us, but a fascinating Satyrinae group when you start studying them. There is a great (and not expensive) book about them published by the French Lepidopterist Association.

It is for sale in the marketplace : https://marketplace.insectnet.com/entomological-book/

livingplanet3 · by livingplanet3 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:31 am

A species of Penthema, but I am uncertain of which one.

collector · by collector » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:03 am

Please ID this butterfly from VIETNAM.
Thanks

eurytides · by eurytides » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:21 pm

Sorry Chuck, I didn’t think I “slaughtered” the manuscript lol. I actually thought you happy with the edits.

Slightly off topic, but your new place in FL, are you within the range of Callosamia securifera? Would be amazing to raise that species.

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