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Re: 2022 new ssp of P. bianor

by adamcotton » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:40 am

I have sent a copy to you.

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Re: So, what's on your spreading board ?

by eurytides » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:49 am

Sure, I will play. This summer I went to southern Ontario and was successful in locating the very rare and local Callosamia tulipifera. Found some larvae and raised them all. A few emerged to form a partial second generation. The rest are in the fridge.

I also located some Asterocampa clyton. I remember a thread here some time ago where people said this was rare and females were especially hard to capture. It only took minutes searching on a single tree with a UV flashlight to locate numerous pupae. These are all ex pupa females.
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Topic: Catocala concumbens (pink or sleepy underwing) | Author: Trehopr1 | Replies: 1 | Views: 9
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Catocala concumbens (pink or sleepy underwing)

by Trehopr1 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:06 am

North America has certainly been graced with a plethora
of red, salmon, and a few (true) pink underwing moths.
A lovely genus for the most part and quite varied in its
approx. 110 n.a. species.

Of the few which are truly a pink shade of coloration
Catocala concumbens ranks as a true highlight of the
genus here. This is a medium-sized species with a wingspan
in the 60-75mm range. It was first described by Francis
Walker in 1858. The forewings are generally light gray with
very "thin" meandering black lines across their width. The
hindwings are of a bright rosy-pink with black median and
terminal bands. The white fringe indeed stands out and only
adds to this impressive little package.

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This species is largely found along much of the U.S.border
states and southern Canadian provinces. It dips down in
some states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania,Wisconsin, and
even northern Indiana; although I have not run across
it myself in northern Illinois.

For those European readers this species is closest in color
to Catocala pacta in Europe.

This specimen along with 4 others were acquired through
a kind and generous trade with a current forum member
from Canada.
Topic: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more... | Author: Chuck | Replies: 14 | Views: 255
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Re: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more...

by Papilio_indra » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:45 am

Chuck wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:10 pm So the only question then is if all the early individuals are small and/or may have other morphological differences.
No and/or no.
Topic: 2022 new ssp of P. bianor | Author: adamcotton | Replies: 3 | Views: 2761
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Re: 2022 new ssp of P. bianor

by Leonard187 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:10 am

So there might be three subspecies of Papilio ryukyuensis right now (nominated, ssp.amamiensis, and ssp. keramana)? How can I get the e-copy of this literature, please? I cannot find it from the website >_<
Topic: Late Autumn Surprises (captures) | Author: Trehopr1 | Replies: 1 | Views: 16
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Late Autumn Surprises (captures)

by Trehopr1 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:08 am

Here in the northern portion of Illinois our autumn
begins about the last week of Sept. and runs until
the 1st or 2nd week of November. Most years, one
can still see butterflies of one kind or another (albeit
noticeably thinned-out) right up until October's end.
Its tough to find much of any good past mid-October
but, occasionally an "abnormally" late autumn with
surprisingly warm temperatures will cause some things
to still emerge --- rather than overwinter.

This has been one of those unusual autumn's and on
October 29th I visited a usual field (haunt) of mine for
one last collecting effort for the season. A strong
southerly wind that day shot our temperatures up to
81 degrees F.

I expected nothing and it felt out of place even carrying
a net with so much vegetation seemingly going into its
dormancy for the season. However, there still remained
some small spotty patches of purple clover flowers here
and there.

I noticed a few scattered Colias eurytheme and Colias
philodice still on the wing mostly "tired" in color and
wing condition. Yet, every now and again I'd spot one
that looked bold ----almost fresh hatched so, I'd take
a swing when I could as it was "gusty" with winds.

It took some effort but, I was rewarded with 5 superb
"end of season" specimens. Likely, this is THE latest
time of year that I've ever caught such nice examples.

C.eurytheme (yellow form /females)
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C.eurytheme (albino form / female)
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If you have a story to share similar to this one then
please do share it with us.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by Trehopr1 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:10 pm

I am in full agreement with Olivier and Adam regarding the rules of the forum. The rules are there to be respected so that this (new) forum does NOT become a forum of mayhem and disrespect such as the (old) forum became in its last 1(1/2) yrs or so.

Eurytides has pointed out VERY well that this forum is owned by someone who pays for it to be hosted. I think we have done "exceptionally" well as a moderating group at minimizing deletions amongst nearly 2,250 posts.

The rules are not that stringent nor are they that hard to follow. Keep posts respectful, friendly, and insect related and it all runs smoothly.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by eurytides » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:48 pm

Sounds like Adam did the right thing, as usual.
Topic: So, what's on your spreading board ? | Author: Trehopr1 | Replies: 47 | Views: 9887
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Re: So, what's on your spreading board ?

by Chuck » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:17 pm

Spectacular! I have caught ONE Hyles euphorbiae, just two years ago, in NY. Like yours, perfect as if it just emerged.

Up this way, Hyles lineata are equally rare. Thus, it's rather a disappointment when one travels south and gets twenty in one night. It's not rare, it's just rare here.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by Chuck » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:11 pm

kevinkk wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:34 pm

Interesting, and appreciated. I see all caps as shouting, but larger font not so much. I use larger font emailing sometimes.
I haven't been able to figure out how to change font size, despite wanting to have done so sometimes. Who's the idiot now? :lol: :roll:
Topic: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more... | Author: Chuck | Replies: 14 | Views: 255
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Re: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more...

by Chuck » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:10 pm

kevinkk wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:46 pm
That would probably take some study. the book says 1 brood in northernly habitat and more in warmer areas,
I'd think we have enough people in CO, and more people with collections of rutulus to answer.

"Brood" opens a whole new can of worms, as Vernon has shown what may look like a continuous, eight month flight period may indeed demonstrate multiplicity in peak emergences.

At least in CO, there is no evidence that there are multiple emergences of rutulus. So the only question then is if all the early individuals are small and/or may have other morphological differences. Any other hypothesis is beyond where I want to go now!
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by adamcotton » Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:54 pm

Just to be clear, I deleted about half of the last paragraph (maybe 3 lines) which was very derogatory towards one named US political party. This was not subtle and was absolutely contrary to the forum rules. If I had not deleted it there would have been more fall-out than can be seen above.

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Topic: So, what's on your spreading board ? | Author: Trehopr1 | Replies: 47 | Views: 9887
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Re: So, what's on your spreading board ?

by boghaunter1 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:13 pm

Hello all,

I have arrived late to this thread as I left the following specimens on the boards for 2 months+ to ensure no wing drooping. On 29 Aug. 2024 I had the good fortune to find a perfect Hyles euphorbiae in my 250W M.V. trap. I was very surprised, as I peered through the screen door, by the beautiful pink ventral coloring of this 1st ever, (in 48 years of light trapping!), recorded specimen, for my area in central N.E. Sask. Canada. Commonly known as the Spurge Hawkmoth, Hyles euphorbiae larvae feed on Leafy Spurge, Euphorbia virgata, which is a very serious weed that can overtake large tracts of pasture/rangeland. It was originally imported, from Europe, as a biological control agent... first into Ontario, Canada & was, in the early 1960's, introduced into the southern prairie provinces of Sask., Manitoba, & Alberta. All the records I could find online, for Sask., showed it is occasionally found, some years, only around Regina & Moose Jaw (& yes that is a smaller city in S. Sask.!). My specimen has left me a little confused, as there are, to my knowledge, no Leafy Spurge infestations that occur this far north. We did, however, have strong SE & SW winds the 2 days prior to my capture. The confusing part is that the moth is scale perfect & wouldn't look that good if blown up from southern Sask. I think there may be (not sure?) cultivated, ornamental, landscaping/garden Euphorbia species about. This Sphinx moth has been found occasionally in southern Manitoba (Brandon area) & is more commonly found, although sparingly, most years, in southern Alberta. Interestingly the farthest known northern record for Alberta is in the immediate vicinity of Edmonton which is quite a bit farther north then my location. The Spurge Hawkmoth is more commonly found in the U.S. northern states bordering Canada as many online records show.

Spurge Hawkmoth - Hyles euphorbiae, dorsal - 29 Aug. 2024 - Bjorkdale, Sask., Canada
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Spurge Hawkmoth - Hyles euphorbiae, ventral - 29 Aug. 2024 - Bjorkdale, Sask., Canada
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I also had the good fortune to collect (unbelievably... all in the same B.L. trap!) 3 scale perfect White-lined Sphinx moths, Hyles lineata on 22 Aug. '24, 29 Aug. '24 (same morning as the Spurge Hawkmoth!), & the last one on 10 Sept. '24. I gather, from literature & info online, that this is one of the most common Sphinx moths found in N. Am. (at least south of the 49th parallel/Canada's southern border). It's appearance, this far north, at my location, is quite a rare occurrence... but I have actually, previously collected, almost a dozen specimens in Aug.- Sept. over the years! All of them, with the exception of 2 were captured in light traps. The 2 exceptions were hand netted (after a heck of an hour & a half crazy chase!) on a sunny Aug. afternoon a number of years ago. These 2 were nectaring on 2nd cut, freshly blooming Alfalfa, just SW of my farm yard.

My Spurge Hawkmoth & the 3 White-lined Sphinx moths described above.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by eurytides » Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:12 pm

I agree Chuck. There's a balance...and what one might consider too political, another might not. I'm not sure what Vernon wrote because it was removed by the time I read it. However, Adam is well respected here and I have never seen him to be unreasonable or rash. If he decided something was too political for the forum, I defer to his judgement.
Topic: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more... | Author: Chuck | Replies: 14 | Views: 255
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Re: Does Papilio rutulus have a spring form? And more...

by kevinkk » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:46 pm

Chuck wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:07 pm But the question remains- does Papilio rutulus have a "spring form" (whatever that may mean) or are these just small individuals?
That would probably take some study. the book says 1 brood in northernly habitat and more in warmer areas, just from observation, I'd call Oregon a northernly habitat. I see Papilio rutulus in the spring through midsummer, but never late in the season, like August or Sept.

Not everything laid late makes it either. The zelicaon larva I found at home in late October had no chance of maturing, and ended up expiring.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by kevinkk » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:34 pm

wollastoni wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:58 am BTW our moderation is SO STRICT that we have edited 6 posts on about 2247 in that last year (if I exclude spams).
Interesting, and appreciated. I see all caps as shouting, but larger font not so much. I use larger font emailing sometimes.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by Chuck » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:21 pm

JVCalhoun wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:23 am there is some complexity when it comes to Florida WMAs and Florida state forests. They often overlap,
I had noticed that, and have only seen that in FL. Wait...a state park embedded in a WMA? Or is it the other way around? It is perplexing!

The closest I can think of is in NY, the Adirondack Park (largest park in contiguous USA) is 52% privately owned- and the regulatory environment doesn't apply to private land. Figuring out what is owned by whom I would presume is a real chore- in NY and FL.
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Re: Florida collecting issues

by Chuck » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:13 pm

eurytides wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:13 pm But the point remains that a lot of private groups have rules that need to be followed and insectnet is no different.
We're getting way off topic, but what's new with forums?

You are right of course. Some golf clubs are pretty relaxed, and some have very strict rules to keep out the riff raff. Some people don't like arbitrary rules, some feel their contribution to the golf club enables them to do as they wish. I just don't want to see this forum go the way of our favorite golf club / restaurant and get plowed under because of an imbalance between key members and the owners to the point that there weren't enough members.

And we've lost members over this. Really sharp members. Most people feel that their time and efforts have been wasted when they take the time to share something and it surreptitiously disappears. Worse is when content is edited in a manner that could impact meaning. The most effective means of balancing controls and contributor's feelings is to handle things one-on-one via PM.
Topic: Size differences in Papilio demoleus libianus ex larva | Author: martellat0 | Replies: 2 | Views: 53
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Re: Size differences in Papilio demoleus libianus ex larva

by adamcotton » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:13 pm

It's not only the quantity of leaves, but also the quality throughout the larval stage. P. demoleus lays eggs on new shoots as the 1st instar larvae cannot bite older Citrus leaves. A good supply of fresh young leaves is important to promote full growth of the larva.

Minimal interaction time with other larvae is also important as they disturb each other if crowded, resulting in less time eating. These are not gregarious, unlike some species which are not affected by interaction with other larvae.

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Re: Florida collecting issues

by eurytides » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:13 pm

You are right Chuck, I have never belonged to a golf club and that was a generalization. However, when I have gone to high end golf clubs for work functions, there was always a dress code (commonly, no jeans). But the point remains that a lot of private groups have rules that need to be followed and insectnet is no different.