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58chevy · by 58chevy » Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:21 pm

Wallastoni, I prefer the hindwings closer to the forewings, the way Entomologist does it. Lowering the hindwings makes the specimen look "droopy" to me. Each collector has his own preference. As far as I know, there's no "correct" way to mount the specimens. I would be interested in seeing a poll of Insectnet members to see what percentage prefer "up" or "down".

KKarns · by KKarns » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:20 pm

Never get tired of perusing beetle collections! Thanks for sharing my friend.

AKColias · by AKColias » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:17 pm

Does anyone recognize this moth? It is similar to Orthosia hibisci but with less pattern on the wings. It is unusually common this spring in South Central Alaska, despite a generally poor spring for moths.

Partially_Mist76 · by Partially_Mist76 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:21 pm

Thanks!

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:25 am

I haven't seen any problems with scale rub using this method, which I have been using for years. You just have to be careful when spreading the forewings of the next specimen that the utensils don't touch the hindwings of the specimen above.

Adam.

wollastoni · by wollastoni » Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:19 am

Impressive !
But I would be afraid to damage some scales or to have vein marks.

One aesthetic advice : put the HW a little bit lower like this one from Bicbugs

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adamcotton · by adamcotton » Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:19 am

Yes, I do this too, although I leave a slightly larger gap between specimens. On a 60cm board I can normally fit about 10-12 large Papilios or 15+ smaller specimens like these.

Interestingly I pin the data on the right of each specimen rather than the left - personal preference I suppose.

Adam.

entomologist · by entomologist » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:03 am

Do any other collectors use the shingling technique when spreading butterflies? I've seen others use this method before, and I find that it allows me to fit twice as many specimens on a board. While shingling works best for larger specimens, I'd like to highlight its application with a few specimens of Luehdorfia japonica.

livingplanet3 · by livingplanet3 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:49 am

Partially_Mist76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:36 am I've been taking pictures of moths for a while now and usually am able to identify them but this specific one I just cant seem to identify, anyone know what it is?...

Lily Caterpillar Moth (Spodoptera picta) -

https://www.brisbaneinsects.com/brisban ... pillar.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spodoptera_picta

Partially_Mist76 · by Partially_Mist76 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:36 am

I've been taking pictures of moths for a while now and usually am able to identify them but this specific one I just cant seem to identify, anyone know what it is?

Cabintom · by Cabintom » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:05 am

Yes, it was not working in DRC. I've just traveled to Kampala and it works here.

livingplanet3 · by livingplanet3 » Wed May 31, 2023 7:00 pm

The Battus philenor have been out in amazing numbers in North TX for the past several weeks, especially following the first heavy spring rain here, earlier this month. I can't recall ever having seen such an impressively large number of philenor in past years. We had two unusually hard freezes in Nov / Dec, but it doesn't appear to affected their population.

A great memory from my younger days was seeing the blooming mimosa trees full of philenor, cresphontes and glaucus. Those particular trees are now long gone, but I can still witness the same spectacle every summer, from the new mimosas that have grown up on my own property and in neighbor's yards. I can see from YouTube, that others have had the same experience -

daveuk · by daveuk » Wed May 31, 2023 5:09 pm

Trehopr1 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:22 pm VERY nice find's Dave. I've always liked this species.
I have 3 or 4 of the typical ones but, no aberrations.

This is the first abberation I can remember seeing offered Trehopr.
I am currently rearing caterpillars of this species. It is a real favourite of mine. Sadly there are none in my locality. This species favours chalk or limestone soils. The soil is too acidic where I live unfortunately.

Trehopr1 · by Trehopr1 » Wed May 31, 2023 4:22 pm

VERY nice find's Dave. I've always liked this species.
I have 3 or 4 of the typical ones but, no aberrations.

Trehopr1 · by Trehopr1 » Wed May 31, 2023 4:15 pm

Wow, that is amazing and quite innovative at the same time !

Thank you for showing us Adam !

Trehopr1 · by Trehopr1 » Wed May 31, 2023 4:10 pm

Thank you very much Dave for your thoughts and expertise on these !

S. fruhstoferi or these forms of it represent a species I have not had until now. You were very gracious and kind in passing along a couple for me to always enjoy.

They are indeed smaller and different looking than anything else I recently acquired. Perhaps, sometime I may run across something different or unusual in these and I will be sure to pass it along to you.

wollastoni · by wollastoni » Wed May 31, 2023 4:03 pm

I have never understood how unit trays can be more practical than a classic drawer... I know they are popular in the USA and nearly not used at all in Europe or in Japan...
Must be a Farenheit-use brain disease !

Except for micro-moths or micro-coleoptera, I would not bother with unit trays.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm

Here's a photo of a Russian field collected 'flat'.

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As you can see it is made from a single sheet of (in this case) newspaper, with the corners cut out and a thin layer of cotton wool on which the specimens are placed.

Adam.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed May 31, 2023 3:09 pm

Chuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:02 pm Each envelope is number, which is entered into a log book.

Strikes me as a great way to field pack specimens for later relaxing and setting.

Great, until the log book accidentally gets lost. It's best to write the data on one of the flaps. You can reuse the same packet another trip just by crossing out the old data and writing the new data below it.

Adam.

Leonard187 · by Leonard187 » Wed May 31, 2023 2:56 pm

adamcotton wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:56 pm Here is my listing of Papilio syfanius and P. maackii:

Papilio syfanius Oberthür, 1886
ssp. kitawakii Shimogôri & Fujioka, 1997 (23km N. of Zayu, East Thibet)
= pavonis Chou, Zhang & Xie, 2000 (Yunnan)
ssp. syfanius Oberthür, 1886 (TL: Tâ-Tsien-Loû)
= syphanius Verity, 1907 [Incorrect Subsequent Spelling]
= superans Draeseke, 1923 (TL: )
= kongaensis (Yoshino, 1997) (TL: Mt. Kongashan, Luting county, near Kanting, Sichuan prov., China)
= sichuanica (Schäffler, 2004) (TL: West of Leshan, ‘Red Basin’, East Sichuan, China)
f. albomaculata Verity, 1907 (TL: Ta-tong-kiao, N. W. China)
f. pseudomaackii (Schäffler, 2004) (TL: West of Leshan, ‘Red Basin’, East Sichuan, China)
ssp. albosyfanius Shimogôri & Fujioka, 1997 (TL: Likiang, Yunnan, China)

Papilio maackii Ménétriés, 1858
ssp. han (Yoshino, 1997) (TL: Mt. Wuyishan, Fujiang prov., China)
= shimogorii Fujioka, 1997 (TL: Mt. Omeishan, Sichuan, China)
ssp. maackii Ménétriés, 1858 (TL: à l'embouchure de l'Oussouri dans l'Amour ... depuis les montagnes de Chingan,
jusqu'à Khangar)
= raddei Bremer, 1861 (TL: Bureja)
= jutanus Fenton in Ishikawa, 1882 (TL: not only in Hokkaido, but also in the mountains of the main island)
= tutanus Fenton, 1882 (TL: Toshima and Iburi, Hokkaido)
= satakei Matsumura, 1919 (TL: Honshu (Gifu))
= maaki Draeseke, 1923 [Incorrect Subsequent Spelling]
= jezoensis Matsumura, 1927 (TL: Atsubetsu near Sapporo, Hokkaido)
= mandshurica Matsumura, 1927 (TL: Koshurei, Manchuria)
= kurilensis Matsumura, 1928 (TL: Shakotan, Kuriles)
= kaiensis Masuda, 1929 ()
= masuokai Kato, 1937 ()
= koraiveris Bryk, 1946 ()
= mirus Korshunov, 1998 ()
= nariensis Kim & Park, 1991 (TL: Ullungdo, Kyŏngpuk Prov, Korea)

Note that here I treat jutanus/tutanus Fenton, 1882 as a synonym of ssp. maackii. The name jutanus was published one month before tutanus and the former has priority, but nowadays everyone uses the latter name.

Adam.

Thank you for your kind reply

, I ve read your previous post and illustrated a picture accordingly, so it should be separated

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