Most endangered butterfly full species ?
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Most endangered butterfly full species ?
A friend of mine has asked me what are the most endangered butterfly species ?
It is not an easy question. A lot of subspecies are highly endangered, but what about full species ?
I would say :
- Orn. alexandrae
- Pap. homerus
. Pap. lampsacus (if not already extinct)
. Boloria acrocnema (if a true full species)
. Erebia christi
. Graphium levassori
any other ideas or corrections ?
It is not an easy question. A lot of subspecies are highly endangered, but what about full species ?
I would say :
- Orn. alexandrae
- Pap. homerus
. Pap. lampsacus (if not already extinct)
. Boloria acrocnema (if a true full species)
. Erebia christi
. Graphium levassori
any other ideas or corrections ?
Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
Papilio natewa exists only in one tiny area and is threatened by ecological destruction and collecting.
There are numerous Lep species that we know so little about it's impossible to judge how endangered they are. Some haven't even been scientifically described yet.
Papilio erskinei, for example, was only recognized as a distinct species in 1999. It has a somewhat limited range, but more important, it does not occur at anywhere near the frequency that similar species do. Why is that?
There are numerous Lep species that we know so little about it's impossible to judge how endangered they are. Some haven't even been scientifically described yet.
Papilio erskinei, for example, was only recognized as a distinct species in 1999. It has a somewhat limited range, but more important, it does not occur at anywhere near the frequency that similar species do. Why is that?
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Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
P. natewa is indeed a good example as its biotope is tiny.
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Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
I suspect that the most endangered species is small and brown.
The reason I say this is that Joe Public doesn't care about anything that looks like that, so nothing will be done to help such a species.
Adam.
The reason I say this is that Joe Public doesn't care about anything that looks like that, so nothing will be done to help such a species.
Adam.
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In the research just published we were unable to obtain any sequence from the single P. erskinei male in my collection, so we still don't know what this really is. It could be a valid species or it could also be a natural hybrid, although that seems less likely as I believe there are also females of P. erskinei in some collections.
There is another taxon from that area, Papilio tryoni, which may also either be an aberration or natural hybrid, but this is only known from a very few specimens, all males. Even Tennent (1999)*, who recognised P. erskinei as a distinct species, was unable to conclusively decide what P. tryoni actually is.
Adam.
*Tennent, W.J. 1999. Notes on some Solomon Islands Papilio Linnaeus, with descriptions of four new subspecies (Lepidoptera: Papilionidae). Nachr. entomol. Ver. Apollo, N.F. 20(2): 207-230.
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Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
The area is now well protected, and there are currently efforts to breed Papilio natewa for conservation purposes. Hopefully that will help.wollastoni wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:18 pm P. natewa is indeed a good example as its biotope is tiny.
One major enigma about this species is actually why its range is so restricted. It seems that it is only found on the Natewa Peninsula, rather than anywhere else on Vanua Levu Island.
Adam.
Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
There are female erskinei in private collections. Let me know when Round 2 genomic work is being done. If only you or Julian had mentioned the need.adamcotton wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:11 pm
...unable to obtain any sequence from the single P. erskinei male in my collection, so we still don't know what this really is. It could be a valid species or it could also be a natural hybrid, although that seems less likely as I believe there are also females of P. erskinei in some collections.
There is another taxon from that area, Papilio tryoni, which may also either be an aberration or natural hybrid, but this is only known from a very few specimens, all males. Even Tennent (1999)*, who recognised P. erskinei as a distinct species, was unable to conclusively decide what P. tryoni actually is.
The only possible source for erskinei to be a hybrid would be, so far as we know, woodfordi and tryoni. Personally, I'm dubious that tryoni is anything other than an aberration. P bridgei has not been recorded from Makira, but that's not saying much since Makira is so poorly surveyed. It's my thought that erskinei replaces, or is (i.e., ssp.), bridgei on Makira.
Papilio erskinei, along with bridgei and woodfordi pictured here: viewtopic.php?p=2635&hilit=erskinei#p2635
Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
Something similar to Orachrysops niobe perhaps?adamcotton wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:50 pm I suspect that the most endangered species is small and brown.
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There are probably hundreds of small brown or blue butterflies nearing extinction. I do wonder if some, even most, were headed toward extinction even without the help of mankind.
As well, with the new genomic capabilities, we're seeing more ssp. elevated to full species status, so it would be a shame to ignore imperiled ssp.
As well, with the new genomic capabilities, we're seeing more ssp. elevated to full species status, so it would be a shame to ignore imperiled ssp.
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And that it hasn't been seen since the lone type specimen was collected a few decades ago.adamcotton wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:50 pm I suspect that the most endangered species is small and brown.
That narrows it down to a few hundred species.
John
Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
The answer to Wollastoni's friend's question probably lies in what John said. One or more of those species (brown or otherwise) that hasn't been seen since the type was captured is likely the one(s) most facing extinction. It's probably not something big and showy. But we can't say the status of any of these type-only species because we've not seen them in a century.Jshuey wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:54 pmAnd that it hasn't been seen since the lone type specimen was collected a few decades ago.adamcotton wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:50 pm I suspect that the most endangered species is small and brown.
That narrows it down to a few hundred species.
John
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Chuck said: "But we can't say the status of any of these type-only species because we've not seen them in a century."
Exactly. In a lot of cases, that might be because no one has really looked since the type was collected. Could be that the locality is no longer accessible, or collecting is forbidden there, or the species ("small and brown") isn't the sort to attract collectors. The known range of a lot of things is actually the range of collectors, not the range of the bug.
jh
Exactly. In a lot of cases, that might be because no one has really looked since the type was collected. Could be that the locality is no longer accessible, or collecting is forbidden there, or the species ("small and brown") isn't the sort to attract collectors. The known range of a lot of things is actually the range of collectors, not the range of the bug.
jh
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That is SO true. You can see it on iNaturalist, observations are highly clustered around population centers.
Graphium meeki hadn't been seen in decades, then it popped up commercially. Before that I heard rumblings that it was extinct.
One of the new ssp I described came from an island nobody had surveyed for insects.
It's not just numbers of field surveyors, it's time. My records have exceeded whole groups of citizen scientist Lep collectors simply because I spent more time in places. Look at iNaturalist- with a million (or whatever) people out there- meaning millions of field hours- all sorts of stuff pops up.
Think of all the stuff @Cabintom has shown, because he's the ONLY one in Congo (for good reason.)
Also, there's the whole not commercially viable problem. 95% of the species I captured in Solomon Islands have never been offered for sale; it's probably 99% for Ecuador. Because nobody wants them, no matter how rare- they're not unusual enough or pretty enough. So the locals don't bother looking for or catching them, and even Lep field researchers don't bother. I'm guilty of that too- it was Charlie Covell who made me collect day moths, and John Tennent scoffed at "stupid Ornithoptera" changing my attention to Lycaenidae which I'd previously just ignored.
Re: Most endangered butterfly full species ?
Erebia christi is found in good numbers in several localities, just its habitat (steep cliffs) are, more often than not, unreachable. But if an alpine species is endangered because of global warming, than several others are endangered too. For ex, in my opinion, Erebia flavofasciata is more rare than E. christii in certain localities.
wollastoni wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:53 pm A friend of mine has asked me what are the most endangered butterfly species ?
It is not an easy question. A lot of subspecies are highly endangered, but what about full species ?
I would say :
- Orn. alexandrae
- Pap. homerus
. Pap. lampsacus (if not already extinct)
. Boloria acrocnema (if a true full species)
. Erebia christi
. Graphium levassori
any other ideas or corrections ?
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