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Additional Truly Spectacular Collection of Arctia caja bred forms from online 10 yrs. ago -II-


John K.

Additional Truly Spectacular Collection of Arctia caja bred forms from online 10 yrs. ago -III


Can one imagine how much you could ask for this entire collection if purchased complete?! $$$


John K.

Not Mine!...older, online Abs. of Papilio blumei once offered for sale - very beautiful, very rare & very pricey...


John K.

Another older online P. blumei ab. & a P. bromius ab.,


John K.

Older, online photo of a beautiful melanic Graphium androcles


& an interesting melanic specimen of P. androgeus - ventral


John K.

Additional older online photo of another ab. P. androgeus


& a P. androgeus gynander & normal male & female


John K.

A couple of really nice, older, online Papilio thoas aberrants


John K.

boghaunter1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:58 pm Another older online P. blumei ab. & a P. bromius ab.,

That bromius (=chrapkowskoides), especially, is quite unique! I can't recall ever having seen one like that.

livingplanet3 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:49 pm That bromius (=chrapkowskoides), especially, is quite unique! I can't recall ever having seen one like that.

Me neither, an amazing aberration.

I assume you meant by the above that the name P. bromius is a junior homonym and the valid species name is Papilio chrapkowskoides. However, the way you wrote it would normally imply that chrapkowskoides is a synonym of bromius.

Adam.

adamcotton wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:15 pm

livingplanet3 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:49 pm That bromius (=chrapkowskoides), especially, is quite unique! I can't recall ever having seen one like that.

Me neither, an amazing aberration.

I assume you meant by the above that the name P. bromius is a junior homonym and the valid species name is Papilio chrapkowskoides. However, the way you wrote it would normally imply that chrapkowskoides is a synonym of bromius.

Adam.

I'm not completely familiar with the various taxonomic changes that have been made to the Nireus species group, but just to clarify, isn't bromius now considered a defunct name for chrapkowskoides? The earliest reference I can find for the name bromius is Doubleday (1845), and for chrapkowskoides, Storace (1952).

I seem to recall there being some discussion here of the Nireus group some time ago; I believe it was on the old forum.

Ah I see, you actually weren't pointing out that chrapkowskoides is the correct species name.

To clarify, Papilio bromius Doubleday, 1845 is a junior homonym of Papilio bromius Stoll, 1787 (a name proposed in Hesperiidae), and as a result the Doubleday name is unavailable and cannot be used. The next oldest available name, Papilio chrapkowskoides Storace, 1952 became the species name. This is complicated by the fact that Papilio bromius was described from Ashanti (W Africa) whereas P. chrapkowskoides comes from Uganda, so the two names represent different subspecies. To solve this problem Koçak, 1983 proposed the name nurettini as the replacement name for the taxon P. bromius.

Here is a list of the names in the species:

Papilio chrapkowskoides Storace, 1952
ssp. chrapkowskoides Storace, 1952 (Kalinzu Forest, Uganda occidental; Entebbe)
ssp. nerminae Koçak, 1983 (Replacement Name for furvus Joicey & Talbot, 1926)
= furvus Joicey & Talbot, 1926 (Island of Sao Thomé, West Africa) [Junior Homonym]
ssp. nurettini Koçak, 1983 (Replacement Name for bromius Doubleday, 1845)
= bromius Doubleday, 1845 (Ashanti) [Junior Homonym]

As you can see, although there are only a few names involved, two of the names for the three subspecies are homonyms.

Adam.

Williams' Afrotropical Butterflies Encyclopaedia treats nerminae as a good species.

To keep this thread on track:

Here's a hybrid of Junonia terea & Junonia chorimene:

X/2013 Q. Lumumba, Bunia, Ituri (1°32'N, 30°15'E) 1250m



This was collected in my yard, within the first month of my "re-taking up" of the hobby.

Papilio daedalus & Papilio pericles

hewi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:48 pm Papilio daedalus & Papilio pericles...

Those are amazing variants!

Upper & underside Graphium eurypylus in my collection. This needs re-setting.

Is this an aberrant ssp. gordion from the Philippines?

Adam.

adamcotton wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:08 pm Is this an aberrant ssp. gordion from the Philippines?

Adam.

Sadly no data Adam. From an old collection.

Trehopr1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:55 pm Very good to see you once again Billg !

Hope we see more of you in the future....

Those are some terrific specimens.

Thanks Trehopr1 and Adam. The insect collecting last year was really terrible and my emphasis switched to more of my tropical fish, becoming a new grandpa for the first time, learning Spanish, and showing/driving my vintage Datsun 280ZXs. I guess the insect passion has to be relighted if this year is better. In 55+ years of insect collecting, I’ve never seen so few as I only caught three bugs and didn’t have the heart to kill any of the few I did see. I do sporadically pop in and read posts, but kinda just sat on the side and enjoyed seeing all the posts from others.

billgarthe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:26 am

Trehopr1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:55 pm Very good to see you once again Billg !

Hope we see more of you in the future....

Those are some terrific specimens.

Thanks Trehopr1 and Adam. The insect collecting last year was really terrible and my emphasis switched to more of my tropical fish, becoming a new grandpa for the first time, learning Spanish, and showing/driving my vintage Datsun 280ZXs. I guess the insect passion has to be relighted if this year is better. In 55+ years of insect collecting, I’ve never seen so few as I only caught three bugs and didn’t have the heart to kill any of the few I did see. I do sporadically pop in and read posts, but kinda just sat on the side and enjoyed seeing all the posts from others.

Yes Bill, I too have been wondering where you went. Miss your insights and experiences.

Sometimes it's good to take a break from entomology. I'd say it's particularly good to take time off from field work, but in my area field work comes for two months once a year, so skip a year and one can miss a lot. I'm on an "upswing" the last couple years, spending a lot of free time doing field work, dragging my boots and nets and crap on flights, etc. It can be taxing.

Hope we see you around more often.