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Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:56 pm
by Cabintom
semire is an odd one within the genus because it doesn't seem to mimic anything.
lucretia at least seems to be trying to mimic Amauris species.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:50 pm
by africaone
Cabintom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:56 pm
semire is an odd one within the genus because it doesn't seem to mimic anything.
lucretia at least seems to be trying to mimic
Amauris species.
may be that it looks different with a non human vision ?
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:00 pm
by Cabintom
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:27 am
by Cabintom
Pseudacraea dolomena dolomena (Hewitson, [1865])
(female)
Pseudacraea dolomena congoensis Jackson, 1951
(males)
8/IV/2017 Near Mbogi, Ituri (1°41'55"N, 30°07'35"E) 1250-1300m
(This one is close to the nominate form)
These males obviously have their preferred perches. Within minutes of catching one, another would come perch on the very same plant.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:49 pm
by mcheki
This Pseudacraea is not living up to its name since it is mimicking a Danaidae species -- Danaus chrysippus. These specimens were collected by a friend in the area around Mufulira which is in the copperbelt area of Zambia. The two on the left are males and the two right side ones are females. The species name is Pseudacraea poggei Dewitz, 1879.
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Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:15 pm
by Cabintom
Pseudacraea warburgi Aurivillius, 1892
(male)
5/VII/2014 Nebobongo, Haut-Uele (2°27'N, 27°37'E) 790m
(female)
2/VII/2014 Nebobongo, Haut-Uele (2°27'N, 27°37'E) 790m
The only two I've netted. I recall the male being pure luck, as it was swirling around at high speeds with another male. It's a rather small species, and at those speeds, a desperation swing managed to net one of the two.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:11 pm
by mcheki
Pseudacraea lucretia gamae Joicey & Talbot, 1927. Two males from Principe Island. This island is off the coast of western Africa.
I have seen this listed as a species (Pseudacraea gamae), rather than a subspecies. This is in “Butterflies of the World” Part 16. Nymphalidae VII, Pseudacraea. By Jacques Hecq, Dated 2003. Anyone have any thoughts as to which is correct?
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Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:29 pm
by Cabintom
mcheki wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:11 pm
I have seen this listed as a species (Pseudacraea gamae), rather than a subspecies. This is in “Butterflies of the World” Part 16. Nymphalidae VII, Pseudacraea. By Jacques Hecq, Dated 2003. Anyone have any thoughts as to which is correct?
D'Abrera in 2004 reverted Hecq's change & returned it to being a subspecies of
lucretia. Many of Hecq's taxonomic treatments in that work were informal and invalid, and I haven't come across any authors who've subsequently adopted his taxonomic stances pertaining to the species in the genus.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:58 am
by mcheki
Thank you Cabintom. You have confirmed my thoughts that Hecq’s work was not valid.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:20 am
by adamcotton
mcheki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:58 am
Thank you Cabintom. You have confirmed my thoughts that Hecq’s work was not valid.
I wouldn't phrase the reply quite that way. It implies that the whole book is taxonomically invalid. Presumably you actually mean that you regard the d'Abrera (2004) opinion that
gamae is a subspecies of
Pseudacraea lucretia rather than a separate species as correct.
I have not seen Hecq's work and know little about
Pseudacraea, so I appreciate all opinions posted here.
Adam.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:06 pm
by africaone
mcheki wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:11 pm
Pseudacraea lucretia gamae Joicey & Talbot, 1927. Two males from Principe Island. This island is off the coast of western Africa.
I have seen this listed as a species (Pseudacraea gamae), rather than a subspecies. This is in “Butterflies of the World” Part 16. Nymphalidae VII, Pseudacraea. By Jacques Hecq, Dated 2003. Anyone have any thoughts as to which is correct?
DSC00491.JPG
two diffrent things in this question.
gamae is so different from nominate one + the fact that many of the Principe / Sao tomé population deserved often specific level (at high point), that it seems logical to consider it as a good species.
The doubts about Hecq's work concerns more the rules he didn't respect with the Code and the treatment he done of the orange forest 'species ' (except Amiet's work, quite nobody really worked on the question by doing breedings).
may be the barcode can help to bring something to answer this question ? Some short results proove that the genus can be studied with the help of the barcode.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:23 am
by Chuck
It is inappropriate to derail this wonderful thread on Pseudacraea
I apologize for my part in doing so. I suggest any further discussion on dbrera be taken to a new thread.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:31 am
by adamcotton
As requested I have moved the posts about d'Abrera to a new topic in the Books, Publications and Media Reviews section
here:
viewtopic.php?p=3109#p3109
Adam.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:21 pm
by Cabintom
I'm all out of Pseuadacraea to share for the time being (unless someone wants to see some P. rubrobasalis rags).
Does anyone have P. annakae or P. acholica? P. imerina from Madagascar is another strange one.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:42 pm
by mcheki
In response to the above post by Cabintom here is Pseudacraea imerina imerina (Hewitson, 1865), from La Mandraka, Madagascar. These two are males.
Also, there are two male P acholica in the box of mixed, unsorted Pseudacraea that I posted earlier in this thread. The two slightly isolated specimens in the lower right corner are two malees from eastern DRC. They have slightly elongated hindwings.
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Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:54 am
by Chuck
see some P. rubrobasalis rags)
Might as well, this is a great resource might as well make it as comprehensive as possible. I’m not afraid of ragged butterflies.
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:15 am
by Cabintom
Chuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:54 am
see some P. rubrobasalis rags)
Might as well, this is a great resource might as well make it as comprehensive as possible. I’m not afraid of ragged butterflies.
Well, if you insist!
Pseudacraea rubrobasalis Aurivillius, 1903
(male)
8/IV/2017 Near Mbogi, Ituri (1°41'55"N, 30°07'35"E) 1250-1300m
(female)
3/XII/2016 Near Mbogi, Ituri (1°41'55"N, 30°07'35"E) 1250m
Re: Pseudacraea
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:20 am
by mcheki
Without detracting from the genus Pseudacraea I thought it may be of interest to show a drawer of a very similar genus. This genus is Mimacraea in the family Lycaenidae. It shows that many species of Mimacraea are quite similar to the Pseudacraea and they follow a similar range of mimicry.
They are, of course, considerably smaller.
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