Can anyone tell the sex of this D. vanillae?

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Can anyone tell the sex of this D. vanillae?

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Can anyone tell the sex of this D. vanillae?
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Looks like a male to me.
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unless they are dimorphic, it's not easy unless you squeeze the abdomen to expose the genitalia, I go by body size, which seems reliable.
That does look like a male butterfly.
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Appears to be a male.
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Looks like a male. The females are duller orange.
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........... Judging by everyone's replies, the male D.v. is smaller and brighter, than a female.
This one was comparatively small and exceptionally bright (I have not changed the color by Photoshop).
Here is the print by Maria-Sybilla Merian, from her "Metamorphosis Insectorum Surinamensium",
which erroneously (?) related this lep to the vanilla plant.
The specimen she encountered in Surinam was dull indeed.
Thanks to everyone!
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Here is a photograph featuring the species.
Pretty easy to tell apart the differing sexes.

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Your remark had an offensive tone about it
in my opinion and it was edited.
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I will not spar with you about your tasteless reply (delivery) to another forum member who was just trying to help.

I've provided a picture.

You have your answer.
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I did not mean to offend anyone with my "tasteless remark".
Sorry, if that happened unintentionally.
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Dissection of "genitalia" is a common practice in entomology. If some members of this forum are offended by the use of this word, so be it. I don't like offensive language either. But they should become more familiar with the scientific literature.
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I think a little levity, while apparently intended as humor shouldn't be taken too seriously. The number of things that offend me is impractical to list,
so- it's just one of those things we have to deal with and assess at the time.
I had a chance to read the deleted remark, and it was not well expressed, as to being deleted, it wasn't my decision, I may or may not have
let it go, that's one of the great things about not being in charge- you don't have to make any decisions, and as a co-worker once told me-
I never make mistakes..."that's because you never make any decisions", one of my famous quotes as a foreman.
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58chevy wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:11 am Dissection of "genitalia" is a common practice in entomology. If some members of this forum are offended by the use of this word, so be it. I don't like offensive language either. But they should become more familiar with the scientific literature.
Actually, this is not about the term "genitalia".
I should admit: I've made a rather risky joke, involving this word,
and I apologize for doing that if anyone was offended.
My "tasteless remark" was in line with the style of the "Old Insectnet",
I just did not notice that the rules have changed, in accordance
with the widespread rules of polite correctness.
I hope, that this tread can be terminated now by our GLOBAL (sic!)
moderators.
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kevinkk wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:19 am I think a little levity, while apparently intended as humor shouldn't be taken too seriously. The number of things that offend me is impractical to list,
so- it's just one of those things we have to deal with and assess at the time.
I had a chance to read the deleted remark, and it was not well expressed, as to being deleted, it wasn't my decision, I may or may not have
let it go, that's one of the great things about not being in charge- you don't have to make any decisions, and as a co-worker once told me-
I never make mistakes..."that's because you never make any decisions", one of my famous quotes as a foreman.
kevinkk, I sent you my apology in a PM, I hope it was accepted.
Once again, I did not mean any offense.
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Re: Can anyone tell the sex of this D. vanillae?

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I see no need to alter or delete anything from this thread. Identifying the sex of this butterfly species was a simple request and members chimed in with their thoughts and I then provided a photograph. The question was answered and now we can proceed with further discussions of insects.
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