Rarities in Charaxes
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:07 am
Im knowing Lydiae, fournierae, acraeoides are considered rarities, whats the consensus here of any other difficult to get species
I have a specimen of C. doubledayi that I consider myself rather fortunate to have obtained, several years ago. Certainly, it doesn't seem to be available very often as compared to many other Charaxes.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:07 am Im knowing Lydiae, fournierae, acraeoides are considered rarities, whats the consensus here of any other difficult to get species
Beautiful species, and not cheaplivingplanet3 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:39 pm Charaxes (subgenus Polyura) dehanii is another nice species that I only rather recently acquired. As is the case with many Charaxes, the verso is even more strikingly patterned than the recto -
C. (Polyura) clitarchus (endemic to New Caledonia) is another one that I'd hoped to eventually obtain as well, but it seems unlikely -
It seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
Agree with that livingplanet. I think that it has not been bred for a while now as I rarely see them offered these days. Here are my nominate pair from Java. Have a couple more males also.livingplanet3 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:01 amIt seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
Beautiful specimens!daveuk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:27 pmAgree with that livingplanet. I think that it has not been bred for a while now as I rarely see them offered these days. Here are my nominate pair from Java. Have a couple more males also.livingplanet3 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:01 amIt seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
Dave,beautiful specimens .
Yes, but what he did was split Charaxes (s.l.) into several different genera, thus also conserving Polyura as a genus. As a result many African species have changed genera, for example C. lydiae became Ydeali lydiae.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm I believe that Thierrry Bouyer sorted that problem in 2023 by confirming Polyura as a genus.
Have not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
Sorry, you have misunderstood me, i said nominate and sulthan being Java and Sumatra, this reads as,,,,nominate Java and sulthan Sumatradaveuk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:29 amHave not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
yes Adam ,i have thisadamcotton wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:29 amYes, but what he did was split Charaxes (s.l.) into several different genera, thus also conserving Polyura as a genus. As a result many African species have changed genera, for example C. lydiae became Ydeali lydiae.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm I believe that Thierrry Bouyer sorted that problem in 2023 by confirming Polyura as a genus.
The paper is Bouyer., T. 2023. The genera of the tribe Charaxini (Papilionoidea, Nymphalidae, Charaxinae). Metamorphosis, 34: 59–78.
Abstract:
The systematics of Charaxini is revised. The three historical genera are confirmed: Charaxes (Ochsenheimer, 1816); Polyura (Billberg, 1820) and Euxanthe (Hübner, 1819). The genera Eriboea (Hübner, 1819) status rev.; Zingha (Hemming, 1939) status rev.; Viridixes (Bouyer & Vingerhoedt, 2008) status rev. and Euxanthe subgenus Hypomelaena (Aurivillius, 1898) status. rev. are reinstated. Three new genera are described: Laodice genus nov. with the type species Papilio lycurgus (Fabricius, 1793); Setechin genus nov. with the type species Charaxes nichetes (Grose-Smith, 1883) and Ydeali genus nov. with the type species Charaxes lydiae (Holland, 1917). A key to the nine genera is provided.
The paper is available online.
Adam.
Apologies. My bad !!Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:14 pmSorry, you have misunderstood me, i said nominate and sulthan being Java and Sumatra, this reads as,,,,nominate Java and sulthan Sumatradaveuk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:29 amHave not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???