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Papilio bachus or zagreus or ascolius

Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 10:55 pm
by joachim
Hello,

I am a little confused.
I bought this butterfly as Papilio bachus. Tingo Maria, Peru.
But I think that many dealers reside there and it is not the exact locality.

Anyway, I found on the site
https://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/L/ ... 91_3_i.htm
I almost found this butterfly, but it doesn't seem to fit from the locality. And then the question if bachus or ascolius are just subspecies of zagreus or independent species.
I hope a specialist can give an answer.
Thanks in advance,
Joachim

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Re: Papilio achus or zagreus or ascolius

Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 11:05 pm
by joachim
P.S. I made the photos with my moble, for higher resolution follow:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... 1PUH6FtgUk

Re: Papilio bachus or zagreus or ascolius

Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 8:58 am
by adamcotton
This specimen looks like Papilio ascolius to me but the locality is definitely incorrect.

P. ascolius and P. neyi are separate species, but it is unclear whether P. bachus is conspecific with P. zagreus or not.

Adam.

Re: Papilio bachus or zagreus or ascolius

Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 12:27 pm
by wollastoni
In this group was bedoci DNA tested ? As fas as I know it is known by less than 5 specimens despite living in French Guiana, so it must be a canopy species who nearly never come on the ground.

MNHN says it is a ssp of zagreus on their website.
Butterflies of America places it as a ssp of neyi
Barcoding may help better understand its status.

Re: Papilio bachus or zagreus or ascolius

Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 3:16 pm
by adamcotton
wollastoni wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 12:27 pm In this group was bedoci DNA tested ?
Not as far as I know.

Adam.