Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

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Chuck wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:46 pm Then I'd have to give them all away post haste! Oh no!
There is absolutely no obligation for you to give paratypes away at all. Obviously the single specimen designated as the holotype SHOULD be donated to a museum if it isn't already housed in one, but there is actually no obligation to do so. If the holotype is stated to be housed in your own or someone else's private collection, as long as the precise location (address of the author or owner of the specimen) of that collection is stated somewhere in the original description (OD) then the description is Code compliant in this respect. Most authors who describe a new species/subspecies with a holotype in a private collection state that the holotype, currently in a stated private collection, WILL BE deposited in XXX museum. The Code only mandates that the location of the holotype OR the location where it will be deposited in future be included in the work. If at any future date the holotype is actually deposited elsewhere, or not deposited in a museum at all, that does not make the name unavailable. The current Code recommends that the holotype be deposited in an institution, but it is not mandatory.

The more paratypes you include in the OD the better. These should be labelled with at least the word 'paratype' along with the taxon name (similarly the holotype should be labelled as such). There is absolutely no obligation to give those specimens to anyone or any institution. The purpose of paratypes is to give a status to specimens that the author of the taxon believed to belong to the same taxon as the holotype when examining them before writing the OD, so that in future they can be used as examples of the author's opinion. If for whatever reason the holotype is destroyed some time in future then ONE of these paratypes can be chosen as a replacement 'name-bearing type specimen' (the neotype) for the lost holotype, if necessary. If there are no paratypes which actually represent the same taxon as the lost holotype then a a new specimen from outside the type series MAY have to be designated as a replacement specimen for that holotype if ABSOLUTELY necessary, according to strict restrictions in the Code. Also it is worth noting that, if subsequently some or all of the paratypes are shown to belong to a different taxon, it has absolutely no effect on the name or the identity of the taxon to which the name belongs. The name is only tied to the name-bearing type (holotype or neotype) and not to the paratypes. The holotype of a subsequent taxon can at the same time be a paratype of an older taxon from which it is shown to be different.

In the case of old descriptions where a series of specimens was listed or can be recognised as part of the type series, but no holotype was designated in the OD, then ALL of these specimens are syntypes, and all of them have equal name-bearing status. In new ODs after 1999 a series (2 or more) syntypes may be designated instead of a holotype and paratypes for whatever reason, although this is not recommended and normally no-one does so without a particular reason. If at a future time it is found that these syntypes actually comprise more than one taxon one of the syntypes will be chosen as the lectotype in order to fix the name to a particular taxon. The remaining syntypes then become paralectotypes, which have similar status to paratypes.

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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

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adamcotton wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:58 am The current Code recommends that the holotype be deposited in an institution, but it is not mandatory.
Just to be clear, I am NOT recommending that people describe species/subspecies and keep the holotype in their private collection, I am just explaining that it is not forbidden to do so.

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Need some input, please.

I've finished a 20 page paper on Tiger Swallowtails of the Finger Lakes region of NY, which is largely based on my 2020-2022 field work. The problem is, my observations are best summarized as "inconclusive." The DNA analysis, which by default is now the sole authority, is at best months away.

Do I bother to publish it?
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Chuck wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:10 pm Need some input, please.

I've finished a 20 page paper on Tiger Swallowtails of the Finger Lakes region of NY, which is largely based on my 2020-2022 field work. The problem is, my observations are best summarized as "inconclusive." The DNA analysis, which by default is now the sole authority, is at best months away.

Do I bother to publish it?

Do you have someone that can help you publish the paper? Way back when, I remember Paul Ehrlich giving sage advice to young wannabees (like me at the time) that you should always ask a knowledgeable "friend" to provide an honest critique before you submit any paper. You need someone who understands the issue at hand, who really wants to help you, and then you need to respect and take their advice.

Because when you get to the anonymous reviewer stage, it can be brutal...

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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

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Thanks John, it's been through one peer review, and I can draw on others.

The question though if it's of any value to publish something without much in the way of a conclusion, particularly when said conclusion is likely within six months.

It has some value in that my observations are new (unpublished, or unrecognized) and some disagree with past publications...but still, no conclusion.
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Hey Chuck, my 2 cents is to wait. Like I said before, actual reviewers will be more nitpicky than me! Many times, it’s not necessary to have something conclusive in order to publish. You can publish anything that’s new. However, your case is a bit different. It’s not that you have completed one project and the next one is years away and being completed by a separate research group. Your results are part of a larger collaboration and the DNA results aren’t like 5 years away. You certainly can publish now but since the paper isn’t as strong without the DNA work, you might not get it into the best possible journal. If you wait 6-12 months for Julian, then you will have a “complete package” which can be submitted to a top tier journal. Ultimately it will be your decision, but my advice is to wait for the big fish.
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

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Well, I'm still waiting on genetic analysis of 2022 Tiger Swallowtails. So I thought in the mean time to share a few images

Comparison of Papilio canadensis (NY) left, and Papilio glaucus (KY) right.

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Left to Right: appalachiensis (WV), canadensis (NY), glaucus (KY), and MST / Late Flight (NY)

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Variation: two glaucus from KY, captured same field within an hour of each other

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