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Another favourite genus

First picture: A krishna. Three subspecies. Top row male A krishna charlesi (China) , male A krishna thawgawa(Burma/Myanmar). Bottom row A pair of the nominate subspecies (India.)

Second picture: A lorquinianus. Three subspecies. Top row male A lorquinianus lorquinianus ( Halmahera,Indonesia) , male A lorquinianus albertisi (West Irian/Papua) pair of A lorquinianus esmae (Morotai, Indonesia)

Third picture two male A polyctor pinratanai (Thailand)
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Gorgeous !
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daveuk wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:09 am Third picture two male A polyctor pinratanai (Thailand)
This is now known as Papilio (Achillides) bianor pinratanai Racheli & Cotton, 1983. We described it as a subspecies of Papilio polyctor but subsequently it has been shown to be conspecific with Papilio bianor.

Achillides really is not worth treating as a separate genus to Papilio, separation as a subgenus is sufficient.

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adamcotton wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:32 pm
daveuk wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:09 am Third picture two male A polyctor pinratanai (Thailand)
This is now known as Papilio (Achillides) bianor pinratanai Racheli & Cotton, 1983. We described it as a subspecies of Papilio polyctor but subsequently it has been shown to be conspecific with Papilio bianor.

Achillides really is not worth treating as a separate genus to Papilio, separation as a subgenus is sufficient.

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Thanks for the "new" information( for me!) Adam.
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Beautiful specimens! I assume you have some P. maackii as well? -

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livingplanet3 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:03 pm Beautiful specimens! I assume you have some P. maackii as well? -

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Yes I do. Spring & summer forms. Lovely butterflies.
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In Japan Papilio(Achillides) maackii ranges from far north to as south as Yakushima, southeastern island. It shows splendid seasonal and individual variation. Many colleagues are crazy about this swallowtail. In general, spring form of northern population is beautiful. One of my friends put the pupas in the fridge to make the form more spectacular. Most pupas die or fail to emerge by its cold temperature but a few survivors become jewels. I share one of the examples with you.
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On Achillides, I have been interested in a rare Himalayan species, elephenor.

This species is not at all beautiful as most relatives. But its rarity is overwhelming. It was re-discovered after decades from NE India in 2009. After this finding, a few additional records are known from Assam and West Bengal in India.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ssam_India

Females of this species are still only two specimens in the world. One is in BMNH, London and the other is in UMUT, Tokyo. The latter one was originally from Igarashi collection. Dr. Igarashi Suguru (1924-2008) was a great researcher who is well-know by his comprehensive study in Papilionidae and early stages of Asian butterflies.
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mokky wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 10:27 pm One of my friends put the pupas in the fridge to make the form more spectacular. Most pupas die or fail to emerge by its cold temperature but a few survivors become jewels. I share one of the examples with you.
Indeed - I've never seen a P. bianor with coloration like that!
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livingplanet3 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:54 pm Indeed - I've never seen a P. bianor with coloration like that!
That's because this is Papilio maackii, not bianor which does not occur in Japan anyway. The species in the bianor group in Japan is Papilio dehaanii.

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adamcotton wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:00 pm
livingplanet3 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:54 pm Indeed - I've never seen a P. bianor with coloration like that!
That's because this is Papilio maackii, not bianor which does not occur in Japan anyway. The species in the bianor group in Japan is Papilio dehaanii.

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My apologies - that was a typo; I meant to say maackii.

So, P. dehaanii is not considered a ssp. of bianor?
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Papilio pericles var.
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Papilio daedalus daedalus var.
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livingplanet3 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:07 pm My apologies - that was a typo; I meant to say maackii.

So, P. dehaanii is not considered a ssp. of bianor?
No, dehaanii and ryukyuensis (from Okinawa and Amami Is.) are both separate species from Papilio bianor. Hybrids between dehaanii and bianor are infertile, and DNA analysis shows they are separate.

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PS. No problem about the typo, but as you can understand it was important to clarify.
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adamcotton wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:49 pm
livingplanet3 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:07 pm My apologies - that was a typo; I meant to say maackii.

So, P. dehaanii is not considered a ssp. of bianor?
No, dehaanii and ryukyuensis (from Okinawa and Amami Is.) are both separate species from Papilio bianor. Hybrids between dehaanii and bianor are infertile, and DNA analysis shows they are separate.

Adam.

PS. No problem about the typo, but as you can understand it was important to clarify.
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Ssp hachijonis from Hachijo jima, spring and summer forms.
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Male tokaraensis
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A very nice paris x dehaanii
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Yorky wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:30 pm Ssp hachijonis from Hachimo- Jima, spring and summer forms.
Hi, Yorky-san.
FYI, "Hachimo- Jima" is not correct. "Hachijo-jima" is the true name. "Jima" means "island" in Japanese.
Hachijo-jima is located ca.300 km south of central Tokyo (but is indeed a part of Tokyo Prefecture. Tokyo Prefecture contains as south as Ogasawara (Bonin) Islands located ca.1000 km south of central Tokyo! Tokyo is much huge area than you think).
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