I was impressed that you collected the joesa male yourself, especially as it only has a small rub mark on the forewing, much better quality than I expected a wild caught specimen is likely to be, especially of an active species like this one. Do tell us how you managed to catch it. Adam. With a lur...

bobw wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:07 pm It's ssp. helena, helenor is an entirely separate species.

Thanks yet again Bob. Have amended again. Hope I got it correct this time !!

Trehopr1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:35 pm A'h yes, probably Indo-Australia's premier species in appearance and bold color. Always a knockout !

Superb examples...

Thanks again Trehopr.
It was a great thrill for me to observe & collect this species in the wild. A magnificent butterfly to see on the wing.

I was watching the news on the BBC just now when the reader said: "It seems there won't be so many butterflies around this year because the drought in the UK last year has affected the plants that YOUNG BUTTERFLIES rely on". Oh dear, obviously whoever wrote that either doesn't realise tha...

Those are two gorgeous examples Dave ! I have one of the same quality myself although, yours both have a bit more blue than mine. I'm once saw a dealer at the Toronto Fair (when it was held years ago) and he had a whole series of these males for very affordable prices but, they were basically all A...

bobw wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:28 pm Dave, in your 3rd photo, I'm not sure where you got the name diana from, it's ssp. helena. Also, eusebes is now generally considered to be a synonym of r. rhetenor.

Sorry Bob. My error. Have amended now. Thank You.
Thanks also for the info on eusebes.

adamcotton wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:39 pm In the next few days I will have some news about P. ulysses, among other Papilio species. This species is split into three different species, but all three of the above subspecies still belong to P. ulysses.

Adam.

Sounds very interesting Adam. Look forward to hearing about it.

1)Papilio ulysses ulysses. Pair. Ceram, Indonesia
2)Papilio ulysses autolycus. Pair. West Papua
3)Papilio ulysses joesa. Two pairs. Queensland, Australia. Top left male was self collected.

Picture one. Morpho rhetenor rhetenor. Two males. French Guyana. Picture two. Two male Morpho rhetenor cacica. Peru. Bottom specimen is form paradisiaca Picture three. Top male Morpho rhetenor eusebes.Brazil. Bottom specimen male Morpho rhetenor helena.Peru I sadly & very foolishly never investe...

A very recent and pleasing acquisition to my Agrias holdings is this Agrias beata (female) from Peru. It was collected in November of 2020. This is a species which I have always desired. As has been mentioned by others it remains a species with a lot of variable colors. Sometimes, more blue (here o...

A true splendor amongst the South American nymphalids to be sure ! You are fortunate Dave to have 2 really nice males. Getting such nice ones is tough because the black showes everything (like scratches and wing-mars) very readily.... Thanks Trehopr. It's a butterfly that was readily available as e...

Wow, red-n-black just go so well togather as colors. Don't matter where it appears --- it just looks GOOD ! Striking genus, of which I've only seen in books. Never seen any in private collections that I've seen.... Agree Trehopr. It's a really beautiful genus. The reds in this genus are the richest...

Dave, all my IDs have been done from the Dottax & Pierre paper, along with various conversations with Michel. This genus always fascinated me and I had a small collection of about 100 specimens representing most populations. However, when I had severe space problems I gave them all to Michel in...

Male & three females from El Salvador
Male is from 2015. Females from 1985.

Picture one. Specimens from various Peruvian localities early to.mid 80s
Picture two. Four males from Tingo Maria Peru 2001. Top male is from Yungas Bolivia 2000.
Picture three. Pair from Joinville, Brazil 1987

Here is a treatment of the genus in French. https://www.persee.fr/doc/bsef_0037-928x_2009_num_114_4_2703. They recognize three species, but my poor understanding of French limits me as to why they separate nemesis from galanthis. And here is my favorite - Siderone syntyche syntyche. In flight this ...

...Whatever the taxonomic implications are they are really magnificent butterflies. The reddest of the red. Superb specimens; definitely one of my favorite Neotropical nymphalid genera! Indeed, the taxonomy has been adjusted numerous times. To my knowledge, the genus is currently considered to have...

bobw wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:42 pm They're strange specimens Dave. They seem to have characteristics of both S. galanthis (=marthesia) and S. nemesis. The forewing pattern is more like galanthis, but galanthis normally has orange females, unlike nemesis.

Thanks Bob. I think much more work needs to be done on them.

First picture. Male from Peru. Female from Bolivia.
Second picture. Pair of subspecies esite from Costa Rica.
Third picture. Photo I took of a battered male in Misiones, Argentina in August 2018. Orange spots glowing in the sunlight. The only specimen I saw on the trip.

Three ex pupae examples from Costa Rica. One female & two male. Have not given species information. I presume they are a form of S. marthesia. It seems to me this genus is an extremely confusing one. Whatever the taxonomic implications are they are really magnificent butterflies. The reddest of ...