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Papilio elephenor
by Annarobertson1947 » Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:51 am
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by daveuk » Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:11 am
Apologies. My bad !!Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:14 pmSorry, you have misunderstood me, i said nominate and sulthan being Java and Sumatra, this reads as,,,,nominate Java and sulthan Sumatradaveuk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:29 amHave not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by Annarobertson1947 » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:55 pm
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by Annarobertson1947 » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:17 pm
yes Adam ,i have thisadamcotton wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:29 amYes, but what he did was split Charaxes (s.l.) into several different genera, thus also conserving Polyura as a genus. As a result many African species have changed genera, for example C. lydiae became Ydeali lydiae.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm I believe that Thierrry Bouyer sorted that problem in 2023 by confirming Polyura as a genus.
The paper is Bouyer., T. 2023. The genera of the tribe Charaxini (Papilionoidea, Nymphalidae, Charaxinae). Metamorphosis, 34: 59–78.
Abstract:
The systematics of Charaxini is revised. The three historical genera are confirmed: Charaxes (Ochsenheimer, 1816); Polyura (Billberg, 1820) and Euxanthe (Hübner, 1819). The genera Eriboea (Hübner, 1819) status rev.; Zingha (Hemming, 1939) status rev.; Viridixes (Bouyer & Vingerhoedt, 2008) status rev. and Euxanthe subgenus Hypomelaena (Aurivillius, 1898) status. rev. are reinstated. Three new genera are described: Laodice genus nov. with the type species Papilio lycurgus (Fabricius, 1793); Setechin genus nov. with the type species Charaxes nichetes (Grose-Smith, 1883) and Ydeali genus nov. with the type species Charaxes lydiae (Holland, 1917). A key to the nine genera is provided.
The paper is available online.
Adam.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by Annarobertson1947 » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:14 pm
Sorry, you have misunderstood me, i said nominate and sulthan being Java and Sumatra, this reads as,,,,nominate Java and sulthan Sumatradaveuk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:29 amHave not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by livingplanet3 » Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:01 pm
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by daveuk » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:29 am
Have not heard of ssp. carabus Anna. Thanks for the information about nominate ssp. being found in Sumatra. Was also unaware of this.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm Yes exquisite specimens. Congratulations.
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by adamcotton » Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:29 am
Yes, but what he did was split Charaxes (s.l.) into several different genera, thus also conserving Polyura as a genus. As a result many African species have changed genera, for example C. lydiae became Ydeali lydiae.Annarobertson1947 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm I believe that Thierrry Bouyer sorted that problem in 2023 by confirming Polyura as a genus.
The paper is Bouyer., T. 2023. The genera of the tribe Charaxini (Papilionoidea, Nymphalidae, Charaxinae). Metamorphosis, 34: 59–78.
Abstract:
The systematics of Charaxini is revised. The three historical genera are confirmed: Charaxes (Ochsenheimer, 1816); Polyura (Billberg, 1820) and Euxanthe (Hübner, 1819). The genera Eriboea (Hübner, 1819) status rev.; Zingha (Hemming, 1939) status rev.; Viridixes (Bouyer & Vingerhoedt, 2008) status rev. and Euxanthe subgenus Hypomelaena (Aurivillius, 1898) status. rev. are reinstated. Three new genera are described: Laodice genus nov. with the type species Papilio lycurgus (Fabricius, 1793); Setechin genus nov. with the type species Charaxes nichetes (Grose-Smith, 1883) and Ydeali genus nov. with the type species Charaxes lydiae (Holland, 1917). A key to the nine genera is provided.
The paper is available online.
Adam.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by Annarobertson1947 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm
Dave,beautiful specimens .
In Charaxinae, genus Polyura.
I believe that Thierrry Bouyer sorted that problem in 2023 by confirming Polyura as a genus.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes
by Annarobertson1947 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 pm
I am aware of nominate and sulthan as ssp being Java and Sumatra.
But i see also a ssp carabus from Sumatra ????
Any info on this ???
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by billgarthe » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:47 pm
Catocala cerogama Oh….almost forgot to mention, at this mountain top, Eric and I also caught a Ghost Moth (Sthenopsis auratus) and a Witch Moth (Ascalapha odorata) along with my once in a lifetime catch of a gynandromorph Antheraea polyphemus. When the conditions are right, this has become our “moth Heaven”.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by billgarthe » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:38 pm
Catocala cara And Catocala carissima Catocala atocala, sappho with maestosas
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by boghaunter1 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:29 pm
Great camouflage of C. briseis (paler forewing color fm.) on weathered board of building... found, (accidentally!), resting the next morning, on a wall, immediately beside a sheet & light setup, from the previous night.
Very Rare white forewings fm. of C. briseis.
John K.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by Trehopr1 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:58 pm
I knew your interest in these was strong so I was very much hoping that you would chime-in with some captures of your own.
If time allows I would love to see your holdings of concumbens, cara, and carrissima. Of course, any rare/scarce species which you have encountered would also be much appreciated. Many thanks....
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by Chuck » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:12 pm
The white underwings are in this area locally common, depending on where the trees are. Where I run lights now I have yet to see one.
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LepSoc meeting @Cornell 14-18 July who's going?
by Chuck » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:59 am
Who's going?
There will be day field trips, not sure about night. High season for the MidSummer Tiger Swallowtail and Poanes massasoit.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by billgarthe » Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:10 am
Love your Cats. Very impressive. This is also a favorite of mine. I don’t have time to resize pics of all my 30 drawers of Cats, but did do a couple that I really like. If I had to pick favorites, I’d spend more time and do up about 10 drawers for sure. Top is C. relicta and bottom is C. marmorata (my favorite overall) although C. cara, carísima, coccinata, and concumbens are runners up.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by Trehopr1 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:25 am
Two of my favorite catocala species side by side.
I "heartily" accept your offer. Can pay if needed for REALLY fine examples. Let me know via PM.
Very much appreciate your interest in this thread.
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Re: Charaxes jolybouyeri
by Annarobertson1947 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:21 am
Probably same supplier