livingplanet3 wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:27 am A bit technical, and I'm no chemist, but it makes me wonder if some other species of Pieridae might have similar defensive toxins.

Delias are unpalatable too. That's why they are at the heart of several mimicry rings in SE Asia and New Guinea.

daveuk wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:58 pm

livingplanet3 wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:43 pm Very nice! Certainly, this must be among the most impressive of the larger pierids. Of note in this species, is that its wings contain glacontryphan-M, a potent peptide toxin, which is also a component of the venom of cone snails (Conus spp.). Cone snails use this peptide (delivered via a stab from a harpoon-like, specialized radular tooth) to paralyze their prey, but in the case of Hebomoia, it must somehow function as a deterrent against predators.

Thanks for enlightening me. Fascinating. I had no idea that Hebomoia gained protection in this way.

Here's a 2012 paper on the subject -

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1209632109

A bit technical, and I'm no chemist, but it makes me wonder if some other species of Pieridae might have similar defensive toxins.

livingplanet3 wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:43 pm Very nice! Certainly, this must be among the most impressive of the larger pierids. Of note in this species, is that its wings contain glacontryphan-M, a potent peptide toxin, which is also a component of the venom of cone snails (Conus spp.). Cone snails use this peptide (delivered via a stab from a harpoon-like, specialized radular tooth) to paralyze their prey, but in the case of Hebomoia, it must somehow function as a deterrent against predators.

Thanks for enlightening me. Fascinating. I had no idea that Hebomoia gained protection in this way.

Very nice! Certainly, this must be among the most impressive of the larger pierids. Of note in this species, is that its wings contain glacontryphan-M, a potent peptide toxin, which is also a component of the venom of cone snails (Conus spp.). Cone snails use this peptide (delivered via a stab from a harpoon-like, specialized radular tooth) to paralyze their prey, but in the case of Hebomoia, it must somehow function as a deterrent against predators.

Newly acquired pair of Hebomoia glaucippe liukiuensis from Japan

Impressive specimen John !

butterflygirl wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:19 pm I am learning very quickly and saw all the massive red flags.

There are more flags, but sometimes I wonder if posting them is undermining our efforts. The simplest thing is that the scammers are usually out of their element. I do want to clear up a comment I made about using peat moss- spaghnum is the moss I like using for a substrate.
I also have to admit I have been tricked, and it was from not following my own advice, and there are different kinds of "scammers", for some, apparently it's a job, for others, they just can't follow through, good intentions don't make a road.

These lopsided wings occur in different butterfly families as well; the following specimen was a very poor/awkward flier which first drew my attention to it...

Common Wood Nymph - Cercyonis pegala ino
John K.

wollastoni wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:49 am Thank you for your vigilance, I have deleted his accounts.

No problem!

kevinkk wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:09 am This just gets better and better.
Yes, those are Argema mimosa cocoons depicted.
In America, we also write dates differently, we write 06/20/25, not 20/06/25
While you may ship them in the USA, it is illegal since they are non natives
They spelled the species incorrectly
Member just joined, along with the apparent legit buyer
These "possible?" more like probable scammers should hook up with the ones selling Stag betels

While warnings about and praise for sellers are appropiate in the classified ads, there are a lot of experienced individuals here using this site, I cannot be scammed, and neither can most of the other users here.
I have seen a number of new persons using the classifieds, it's nice to see, but I know who is legit, and who is not just from reading your ad most of the time.

Ok. one more thing. Those Actias dubernardi cocoons in the classified ad? They look familar. maybe they aren't mine, but a few years ago, I raised a batch of a lot of the moth and sold most in bulk. I used peat moss in boxes and the larva spun those whitish nearly perfect orbs. Anyway, that's how to make a egg shaped dubernardi cocoon.

While not as experienced as you, I am learning very quickly and saw all the massive red flags. No price in the main ad. No shipping info. Suspiciously familiar picture, I swear I've seen it in the past. A vastly different second picture with a non-American dating structure. If you look at the picture zoomed in, the date appears to be spliced in.

Thank you for your vigilance, I have deleted his accounts.

This just gets better and better.
Yes, those are Argema mimosa cocoons depicted.
In America, we also write dates differently, we write 06/20/25, not 20/06/25
While you may ship them in the USA, it is illegal since they are non natives
They spelled the species incorrectly
Member just joined, along with the apparent legit buyer
These "possible?" more like probable scammers should hook up with the ones selling Stag betels

While warnings about and praise for sellers are appropiate in the classified ads, there are a lot of experienced individuals here using this site, I cannot be scammed, and neither can most of the other users here.
I have seen a number of new persons using the classifieds, it's nice to see, but I know who is legit, and who is not just from reading your ad most of the time.

Ok. one more thing. Those Actias dubernardi cocoons in the classified ad? They look familar. maybe they aren't mine, but a few years ago, I raised a batch of a lot of the moth and sold most in bulk. I used peat moss in boxes and the larva spun those whitish nearly perfect orbs. Anyway, that's how to make a egg shaped dubernardi cocoon.

I enquired about the ad below via the given email and asked the seller for the price per cocoon and a picture with today's date on it. They sent me pictures with today's date from a completely different email than the one listed in the ad. Not only that, they sent photos of what appear to be African Moon Moth cocoons (see the first picture attached). I have never known A. dubernardi cocoons to have sporadic holes as seen in the ones pictured, and was wondering if I'm correct in my assessment.

You have some very enviable artistic skills 58chevy !

A superb choice indeed for subject matter.

Thank you for sharing with us.

This days in Spain the journalists had discover a very dangerous invader,Agrius convolvuli is migrating in big numbers in some parts of the country and they are making people get scared of moths.

joachim wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:18 pm basically good article... fecal pellets of the caterpillars were described as the eggs of the caterpillars.

When I read/ see something like this, the entire article must be considered suspect and discredited. While one reader may catch such a fundamental error, how does one know what else is wrong?

This differentiation in wing size is common, and I see it most often in Speyeria.

I am glad to say that the fix I made yesterday seems to work. We should see no more "Resource Limit Usage" errors during bot attacks. We will see.

Just how nature works. Most things are not perfectly symmetric. People, for example, will have arms and legs that are different by a few mm. Some people have differences that are much more pronounced, perhaps 1-2 cm, which will affect the tilt of their pelvis and posture.

Thanks Adam for the clarification on the Latin name.
The wild specimens do tend to fly somewhat more erratically and with seemingly less control.

USA.