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vabrou · by vabrou » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:27 pm

My approach and opinion has to do with multiple variations within a single species even a single geographic location. Most field guides illustrate a single specimen image of a particular species. What are the chances of identifying the specimen or image you have based upon those publications when some species have dozens to hundreds of morphotype variations which may vary in each of multiple annual broods.
The opposite phenomena concerning other common species occurs. In 1972 Ferguson reviewed the validity of names for Actias luna: nine forms and synonyms from Nova Scotia to Texas, and reducing them all to a single species due to population variation and lack of consistent and definitive distinguishable characters. Even in abundantly populated and well known species as A. luna, it is difficult to figure out exactly what are the parameters for a single species. Here in Louisiana, A. luna has five annual broods, with each brood of this species, the moths become less brilliant in color and maculation, and become paler in color, wider in wingspan, shorter in length, the fifth brood becomes very different in appearance. The broods occurring mid February into October in Louisiana. Should our field guide or even ultimate treatments in MONA have examples of all five broods, and what about the females that have the same changing characteristics. Then we should have as a minimum 10 images in a single reference book. Somewhat impractible, though here in Louisiana there are moth species with 13 annual broods.
I have published may species accounts illustrating lots of morphotype variations withing a single species. e.g.
https://www.academia.edu/2588690/The_ge ... siana?sm=b
https://www.academia.edu/42307274/Zale_ ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/37824468/Uteth ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/32462144/Euchl ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/31681168/Proto ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/30865810/Metap ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/30540310/Nacap ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/30255214/Phyll ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/29296622/Panop ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/23425257/Varia ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/20063549/Hypar ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/19873206/Pheno ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/6029673/Metall ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/540169/Chaetag ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/540165/Nemoria ... _Louisiana
https://www.academia.edu/540163/Chaetag ... _Louisiana
I have attached two jpgs illustrating 58 morphotype variations involving just some of the male variations found in Hyphantria cunea here just at my home in Louisiana. There are females variations as well not illustrated here, nor are additional variations found in the first annual brood, nor are the male and female variations found in the second, third and fourth annual broods.

vabrou · by vabrou » Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:59 pm

The answer to these questions is that if one collects long enough, you will see that what you assume to be, is not so. Having collected continuously non-stop since 1969 to today 2024 (55 years) (=more than 51,000,000 trap hours), we also identified and logged millions of adult insects daily during most of this time. What we discovered is that most of the information found in all our centuries of scientific literature is false, and are just the anecdotal ramblings of any particular author. You will find no actual evidence presented by all of these authors.

Here is the first such phenology inforrmation in existence concerning P. interragationis, though, I have yet to publish it. Attached is a phenogram concerning Polygonia interrogationis (Fabricius) adults in Louisiana. Here there are five annual broods, adults captured in all 12 months. Sure, some years adults did not appear e.g. January our coldest month here. But, in other less colder years, many are active in January. Bottom line, don't make uninformed assumptions based upon insufficient investigation, nor repeat what you read in publications, as fact. And of course in Canada, this species probably does not have five annual broods. Key word (probably), as I didn't perform my investigations there, so I can't be sure.

Chuck · by Chuck » Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:03 pm

Wisconsin is more like Canada than Upstate NY, so it's quite likely that many or most species can't overwinter. In Upstate NY we have several Nymphalid species that overwinter.

The appearance of various Nymphalid species may be migration (e.g., Vanessa) or it may be just massive population explosion every summer. It depends on the species; some have no qualms about flying hundreds of miles "just because".

If of great interest, it's best to pick one species and start reading/ researching. Each Nymphalid species mentioned may well behave differently in Wisconsin.

Tiger swallowtails, according to iNat, seem to have been observed in number this year from Chiraq NW into Wisconsin. It likely is linked to any early warming this year. They, like many species of animal, somehow know whether it's going to snow again or not.

Chuck · by Chuck » Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:53 am

This type of message is usually used when the host servers are swamped. It's to avoid further usage of the servers, which may serve one website or twenty. Typical causes of high traffic swamping are (1) content that is getting a lot of views [not likely on insectnet, but they might also host a porn forum] and (2) Denial of Service attacks. It could also indicate a failure in the servers. The cause should be readily known to the service provider, this isn't magic.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:46 am

The main issue we are worried about is that if it happens to a new user they may not want to use Insectnet any more.

Adam.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:35 am

This surprise moth hatched from a cocoon (pictured) supposed to have been Epiphora sp. Origin Central Africa
I tried an image search, (for the first time) and found something similar. Gonometa sp. looked close, but not exact.
Amazing cocoon construction, hard as a rock. All the material is identical, and no others have hatched.

: usurper moth.JPG (190.86 KiB) Viewed 59 times

58chevy · by 58chevy » Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:53 am

eurytides · by eurytides » Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:03 pm

I have seen that a few times this week. I just try to load the page later in the day and it’s usually fine.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:50 pm

Super!
I was unsure if it was happening to others, and the way to find out is to ask. As good as my provider claims to be, one never knows,
streaming takes a nap often enough, and the official answers from tech support are usually laughable, or simply annoying.

Cabinfever · by Cabinfever » Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:30 pm

Thank you for the reply.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:07 pm

The problem is not recurring today. Hopefully it has been solved.

Adam.

Nymphalis antiopa · by Nymphalis antiopa » Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:23 am

Hello everyone,

Wisconsin this year had an exceedingly warm early spring. The usual migrating Vanessid butterflies showed up around 2-4 weeks early in unusually large amounts. Colias and Papilio glaucus also showed up unseasonably early.

Question Marks in Wisconsin are weird. Instead of overwintering in their fall form which they do in much of the United States, they migrate up to the southeast and west in their summer form during May (with black hindwings) and spread northward. These adults then die off and we see the real summer form emerging in late June. We then see the crisp, fall forms in August and September before disappearing. They rarely show up after early October (although they have been seen as late as November.) None of this makes sense to me. What brood are these supposedly summer forms migrating up in May? Where are they flying from? I see overwintered, fall forms in Illinois and Missouri. But not Wisconsin.

This year has been even weirder with summer forms showing up in pristine condition in early April. Does anyone have any ideas?

Nymphalis antiopa · by Nymphalis antiopa » Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:54 am

Thanks, guys, for your answers. Even if collections told us nothing, it still would be a neutral on stable populations of species according to various studies. If they just used common sense, they would see that being anti collecting is silly. Surely these people are super knowledgeable on Lepidoptera. They should know the huge reproductive capacity of insects.

I remember seeing a Karner Blue habitat being torn to pieces by ATV routes cutting right through. I remember finding many dead Limenitis carcasses on the roads. They don't complain about that as much as they do with collecting.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:01 pm

I check Insectnet several times daily and strangely this evening Thai time the home page was unusually sluggish loading, first giving this error but loaded on refresh. When it did load correctly I tried to open the sections with new posts, but each gave me this error. When I have had this problem before, refreshing the page always led to it loading properly but this evening one repeated the error and the other gave me another error which I copied and sent to wollastoni. Perhaps that will help his hosting company find the source of the problem.

Adam.

PS. Most of the time Insectnet loads normally, but every so often this error recurs.

wollastoni · by wollastoni » Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:06 pm

Hi, yes we have often this issue.
It seems to affect the whole insectnet website, but we haven’t found the reason behind with Inmotion team…

livingplanet3 · by livingplanet3 » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:44 pm

kevinkk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:34 pm Just curious.
Does anyone else get a message like this " resource limit reached" this happens from time to time, and the page simply won't load ?
Conjecture is welcome, but our internet connection is a good one with faster than typical speed, and the computer I use is 6 months old.

I get the message quite often.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:39 pm

The inspector might have identified it for you, but as a former contractor I never put much faith in home inspectors to begin with.
Before you move in, try some bug bombs, or traps, professional pest control is dubious.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:34 pm

Just curious.
Does anyone else get a message like this " resource limit reached" this happens from time to time, and the page simply won't load ?
Conjecture is welcome, but our internet connection is a good one with faster than typical speed, and the computer I use is 6 months old.

livingplanet3 · by livingplanet3 » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:13 pm

Cabinfever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:07 pm We found this roach during our new house pre purchase inspection. Very concerned it’s a roach that can be hard to remove once inside. What type?

It appears to be a nymph of either the Smoky Brown Cockroach -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokybrown_cockroach

or the American Cockroach -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cockroach

Cabinfever · by Cabinfever » Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:07 pm

We found this roach during our new house pre purchase inspection. Very concerned it’s a roach that can be hard to remove once inside. What type?

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