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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by Trehopr1 » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:16 am
(Catocala lacrymosa) captures featuring that
"marbled" appearance which only shows itself
periodically here and there. Quite noticeable
against the general torrent of "typical" ones
that I've encountered.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths
by Trehopr1 » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:57 am
large (80-90mm) species with a yellow/orange
appearance to its hindwings. In my general area
it remains an infrequent visitor to light or bait.
Been a few years since I've encountered one....
The similarly sized yet, much more common
Catocala neogama is easily confused with this one.
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Re: Thoughts on NABA?
by kevinkk » Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:24 pm
Next time use a better acronym.
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Re: Thoughts on NABA?
by adamcotton » Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:53 pm
Recently a colleague and I were asked to review a paper on butterflies of a SE Asian country based solely on photographic records of living specimens. Particularly for Lycaenidae and Hesperiidae but also in some other groups (such as Satyrinae) a single photo is often not diagnostic (e.g. both upperside and underside need to be seen), and many specimens could not be accurately identified to individual species even from photos where both sides were at least partially visible. Some species cannot be identified beyond 'species-group' from photos at all, even from superb photos of pinned specimens. That is why scientific collections are invaluable, and private collections also contain specimen data which may be important in future.
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Re: Using absolutes: always, never
by adamcotton » Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:25 pm
Adam.
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Re: Using absolutes: always, never
by Chuck » Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:53 pm
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Re: Thoughts on NABA?
by Chuck » Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:44 pm
"we are shifting the paradigm from collectors with nets, capturing and killing butterflies, to enthusiasts with cameras and binoculars, capturing beautiful images of live butterflies in nature." That's nice. We need more photos of misidentified Viceroys.
"NABA has amassed the largest database of butterfly sightings and population abundances in the world." Rubbish, pure rubbish.
"NABA envisions a future where wild butterflies thrive in healthy habitats, none are threatened or endangered, and all people can enjoy observing them in nature." Impossible. Many taxa are threatened and endangered from elements other than man. Thousands of butterfly taxa have gone extinct before man, some will after. It is impossible to have "all people" observe them in nature.
In order to save butterfly taxa we have to know them. That requires dissection, grinding up for DNA, and collections. NABA's trumpet is based on the hard work of those the seek to put out of operation.
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by Chuck » Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:33 pm
I broke down and spent a weekend doing that last year. What a nightmare. I'd been sticking specimens wherever they fit physically, and I had taxa spread all over in the wrong places. If you want to talk about "can't find" god I had it. But I have the same problems w/ institutional collections- a taxa spread between the primary collection, a donated personally collection, pro tem, and "wherever" so it's not just me.
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by kevinkk » Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:09 pm
What I typically do from time to time, is rearrange things, and put them in "better" places. That's when they go missing.
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by Chuck » Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:49 pm
This all started actually a couple days ago when I couldn't find them.
Yesterday I made a concerted effort to find them. I went through all my NA Papilio drawers (minus the machaon-types) looking. Four times. Studied each drawer. Nothing.
As you probably observed, I was frustrated.
I've learned when something doesn't make sense, and you can't make sense of it, walk away and give it time. Last year I was re-mating two mechanical assemblies and suddenly they wouldn't go together. I pushed, I tried again, I tried and tried. I used a rubber mallet- no go. I pulled out the steel hammer and thought- wait, I'd better put this down. The next day they inexplicably slid together.
And so today. I pulled out suspect drawer #1 and looked again. No go based on chronological date. I was was looking at unique morphological characteristics when I noticed one specimen had an extra pink label. Ah hah. There must be another one- and sure there was. As it turns out, in writing the description paper I had recorded the wrong day one one specimen, and was exactly one year off on the other! There was no error in my collating- it was the human error in transcribing label to keyboard.
So I'm good. Now just have to take new photos (after all that.)
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by 58chevy » Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:35 pm
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by livingplanet3 » Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:57 pm
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by adamcotton » Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:57 pm
Hopefully you will find it soon.
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Re: I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by eurytides » Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:20 pm
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I can't find my #@%*& type specimens!
by Chuck » Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:59 pm
I cannot find them.
This shouldn't be hard- all specimens, drawer after drawer after drawer, are collated chronologically.
And the last drawer ends just before the capture dates of the type pair. So I'm actually missing an entire #*^%@# drawer.
I can't imagine anyone came and stole it, and I never took it out of the house.
Arrrrgggghhhh!
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Re: Clothes moths infestation — Tineola Bisselliella and Monopis Crocicapitella
by Chuck » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:31 pm
The motive isn't to get an answer. There are a myriad of reasons bots and scams post inaccurate stuff:
1. to identify the gullible, and identify those to avoid. This may be at the individual level, or forum level
2. to gain posts in order to appear trustworthy when it comes time to defraud
3. to see how easy it is the register & post/ get past any gate keepers (for future use)
4. to establish sleeper accounts that will be used sometimes years later
5. to find sites/ accounts that have PM-to-email and/ or file storage to use for illicit and harder-to-track crime.
Basically for crime of some sort.
When I see a bot/ potential fraud, the first thing I do is search for some copy/paste phrase. Sometimes you'll find the same thing all over the internet (hint: that's a dead give-away). This one though was tailored for this forum; note that "clothes moths", Permathrin, "west coast", and "NYC" have all come up sometimes regularly here. Scientific names appear daily on here. Throw in some scientific names available in seconds, and it's obvious it was tailored for us.
Why were we targeted? Probably fraud. If someone had taken it seriously and posted a serious response that's a flag of gullibility. Then see how long you can go back-and-forth with the gullible to see how gullible they are. Then watch them for a year. Then six months later hit them with a PM offering something for money, or even get them to click a link that infects their computer. Bingo.
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Re: Clothes moths infestation — Tineola Bisselliella and Monopis Crocicapitella
by kevinkk » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:47 pm
Even without being an expert on clothes moths, I found the premise to be virtually impossible, this is what often happens when people,
or robots, step out of their field of expertise and rub elbows with the experienced.
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Re: Clothes moths infestation — Tineola Bisselliella and Monopis Crocicapitella
by Chuck » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:45 pm
There are many with that consensus, and I believe it dangerous.
Human technology went from biplanes to jets in six years. AI will mature far faster.
It's already used quite often for unethical, biased purposes. It's suggested people commit suicide, it's ridiculed (bullied) people, etc. It has suggested the elimination of the human species. It does not, unfortunately, have the "robot will not harm humans" programming. It's now being not just politically weaponized, but militarily weaponized. "The Terminator" truly is the destination, and not far off.
Aside from that dire prediction, as we see here it wastes time. It hides elements of research while promoting others. It knowingly provides incorrect information. This is not good if AI is used for research. Bots then splatter it all over forums and such. When AI can publish on its own, who knows which publications will be reliable, and which aren't.
Though throttling AI development has been discussed, it's out of the bag and control will, inevitably, be minimal. Just like Skype killed the long distance phone company, and online publishing killed the newspaper.
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Re: Clothes moths infestation — Tineola Bisselliella and Monopis Crocicapitella
by Paul K » Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:07 pm
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Re: Clothes moths infestation — Tineola Bisselliella and Monopis Crocicapitella
by Jshuey » Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:53 pm
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