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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by mothman55 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:46 pm

The yellow amatrix and C.hermia and C. luciana are not from Ontario, those I acquired from a collector in Saskatchewan.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by mothman55 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:43 pm

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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by mothman55 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:41 pm

Trehopr1, a beautiful series of catocala. And you seem to get a great number of species in your area, a few that never stray this far north. Here in southern and central Ontario there are something like 47 recorded species, but some of those are likely rare strays/one offs. I have personally collected 35 species over the years, mostly at bait. I also love to see the variation within certain species. Here are a few from my collection displaying degrees of variation or forms.
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Topic: A parade of Catocala moths | Author: Trehopr1 | Replies: 33 | Views: 625
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:01 pm

Hello Chuck,
Thank you for posting a picture of some of your captures.

C. robinsonii just happens to be one of MY least encountered "black" species within my general region. The example I posted is the BEST example I have found although, I have encountered it on a couple of other occasions. However, those specimens were not worth keeping !

Since you live in the far northeast where the wooded regions are quite a bit more considerable (than Illinois) then you likely encounter species which I may not see here or of which are more local.

I didn't mean to imply that it was a rare species (in general). Rarity/scarcity is better applied to such species as C. marmorata, C. sappho, or C. atocala; all of which tend to be quite localized or strays (at times).

Yes, some species can be quite common at times and in different places. I can discern from your photograph that you have (at least) 3 species which appear to be common.

The unit tray at the top has 3 Catocala residua (in a row on the far left). The two smaller gray specimens on the far right look to be Catocala judith. Residua has a "squiggly" white band located on the forewing towards the outer edges.

In the lower unit tray you have (at least) another 3 C. residua along with a third species (two specimens) in the middle column --- which are Catocala epione. They are respectively the very center specimen and the one (right below it). C. epione also happens to be the very first named catocala species (here). Dru Drury (a British entomologist) described it in 1773. It is commonly called the Epione Underwing.

I cannot tell too much more from the remaining specimens either due to lighting or some measure of wear. But, it is good to see that you do make an effort at capturing them.

I will post some additional species soon....

Thank you for your interest in these and the article.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by livingplanet3 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:31 pm

daveuk wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:27 pm
livingplanet3 wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:01 am
Annarobertson1947 wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
It seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.
Agree with that livingplanet. I think that it has not been bred for a while now as I rarely see them offered these days. Here are my nominate pair from Java. Have a couple more males also.
Beautiful specimens! :D
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by livingplanet3 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:29 pm

daveuk wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:11 pm I can't get used to Polyura as Charaxes. Getting old..
Here is a new photo of my male Polyura clitarchus upper & underside & an upperside male Polyura dehanii sultan from Sumatra...
Very nice! :D
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by daveuk » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:27 pm

livingplanet3 wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:01 am
Annarobertson1947 wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
It seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.
Agree with that livingplanet. I think that it has not been bred for a while now as I rarely see them offered these days. Here are my nominate pair from Java. Have a couple more males also.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by Chuck » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:26 pm

Dave, you go ahead and call it Polyura, I do.

And remain steadfast in the use of genus Amphion and place names like Stanleyville, New Hebrides, and Sears Point. I will not surrender.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by daveuk » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:11 pm

I can't get used to Polyura as Charaxes. Getting old..
Here is a new photo of my male Polyura clitarchus upper & underside & an upperside male Polyura dehanii sultan from Sumatra.
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Re: A beautiful fournierae pair

by Chuck » Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:19 pm

@anna did those fournierae arrive already set?

I generally hand-deliver set specimens. I wouldn't mind mailing some within the country, but I'd be very concerned (these days) about set specimens arriving undamaged. I used to send large boxes of set specimens across country, but that's when packages were handled with care, and even then a couple would get free.

I presume the packaging is on the seller, so if an antenna gets busted on a $2000 specimen, that's the seller's loss. Ouch.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Chuck » Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:56 am

Trehopr, you mean that C robinsonii is hard to find. But surely you have other more common black catocala, right?

We get a few species, some so common as to be a nuisance; I get a dozen of a couple species each night in the UV trap.

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Re: Charaxes acraeoides pair

by Annarobertson1947 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:11 am

Well Trehopr1, Acraeoides females are like hens teeth, males still hard to get, male is Rca. female is from Gabon, as are Fournierae pair.
My Lydiae are from Cameroun and the Jolybouyeri male is Cote d'ivoire.
I think females are roughly 5 times price of males on average ,this obviously doesn't apply to jolybouyeri or acraeoides.
My next post is my slightly worn Jolybouyeri male ,
Now they are hard to find.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:59 am

A seldom encountered "black" species in my region.
VERY tough to find and my ONLY specimen !

Notable for the rather (plain) slate-grey appearance
of its forewings. A mid-late August species....

Robinson's Underwing (Catocala robinsonii)
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:41 am

Been doing some "catch-up" work lately (spreading)
some of my Catocala captures which I ran short of
time to finish. A few here -- and a few there from
different outings.

This board is one of 3 with (recently) finished specimens.
All told I've worked up 34 over these last 4 weeks.

Will continue to post additional examples of other (different)
species which I have encountered !

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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:25 am

Another of our large reddish species which
is occasionally encountered....

The Once-married Underwing (Catocala unijuga)
76mm. (wingtip to wingtip)
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:18 am

One of the MOST frequently encountered and indeed
"variable" species of the Midwest region.

It has several different forms....

Oldwife Underwing (Catocala palaeogama)
Typical (form)
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A "variation" featuring more (white) on the forewings
along with blackish edging on the forewings which
continues along the trailing edge.
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Oldwife Underwing (Catocala palaeogama)
form -- Annida >seldom encountered....
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:45 am

A seldom encountered species in my general region.

The Penitent Underwing (Catocala piatrix)
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:39 am

One of our large salmon colored species.

The Mother Underwing (Catocala parta)
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Re: Charaxes acraeoides pair

by Trehopr1 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:06 am

Gosh Anna, you sure have some great connections !
The females of all 3 of these "stellar" species which you own are very seldom offered --- anywhere.

They are also exceptionally clean examples. Males of all three are still mighty special but, can be had more often and for considerably less pricing.

I haven't seen an acraeoides (male) even offered for some years. Here and there I have seen males of the other two species offered most recently.....

I suppose at Juvisy you can find them all but, it's a matter of getting there and being able to return home with your prizes.
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Re: Rarities in Charaxes

by livingplanet3 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:01 am

Annarobertson1947 wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:38 am Are they breeding Polyura dehaani or all wild caught?
It seems that some years ago, someone must have captive-reared a number of dehanii - my pair seems far too perfect to have ever flown.