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Christophe · by Christophe » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:47 pm

Hello, yes these are copies from my collection.
I am looking to confirm P.filaprae by an expert.
Thank you.

eurytides · by eurytides » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:32 pm

Yikes. I didn’t spend enough time looking to pick up on that!

CaribLife · by CaribLife » Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:37 pm

We live in the Caribbean and struggle with these small bugs that seem to be very hard to kill. We had a poor family bring bedbugs into our house and we think we dealt with them however our exterminator is sure we also have another infestation that was brought in with the bedbugs,
and he is unable to identify it and because of it to treat it.

We superheat all our bedding each day and the mattress has been treated several times but when we wake up we find these white spots on the bedsheet. My wife gets bit a lot and once found these white thing that looks like larvae of some kind. Any help is very much appreciated!
Thank you

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adamcotton · by adamcotton » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:57 am

I already checked iNat last week. The associated photo appears on several different records for the same species, so I suspect that it is not the actual specimen from Simeulue.

Adam.

eurytides · by eurytides » Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:31 pm

There is one record on iNat. Not sure if you can see what you need to from the photo, but if no one has a specimen, it might be worth checking it out.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:49 pm

Does anyone here have a male or males of Papilio polytes from Simeulue Island, NW of Sumatra?

I only have females and would really like to see photos of the male to see the phenotype.

Thanks,
Adam.

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:18 am

Jim,

I live in Chiang Mai, and just checked with the owner that Siam Insect Zoo is open. I was worried that it had closed during covid-19 and wasn't sure if it reopened or not.

While you are in Thailand, if you want to see/photograph large assemblages of wild butterflies you should go to Kaeng Krachan National Park (west of Hua Hin) and Pang Sida National Park in the east (see Google Maps, where there is a place called 'Butterfly Mineral Lick' in the park). If you are here in January or early February it may be a little early for butterflies in Chiang Mai (most start flying from late February onwards) but Kaeng Krachan should be good as it is much further south.

Adam.

earthling · by earthling » Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:58 am

I will be in Thailand and Cambodia for the first two months of 2024, and while I do not actively collect (more into photography), I would be interested in visiting insect museums/zoos where possible. I know about the main ones like the Bangkok Butterfly Garden and the Banteay Srey Butterfly Center (Cambodia). Also, I believe there are a couple of others up at Chiang Mai. If anyone happens to know of any other centers, museums or zoos which are not so well known but worth the visit, feel free to mention them.

Thanks.
Jim

Leonard187 · by Leonard187 » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:47 pm

Chuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 pm
Adam is always very helpful.

I'd not worry too much about misID, that happens.

I can't tell you the number of times some sub-project in my research has eaten many hours of work, and then I discover that the work had already been done, the paper is on my computer, and I'd simply forgotten that I'd read it.

Thanks, and you are so kind. I found that my memory has been a bit weak recently

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adamcotton · by adamcotton » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:37 pm

It absolutely depends on the formatting requirements of the journal you will publish in.

Adam.

Chuck · by Chuck » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:48 pm

Hi guys,

I need to cite some publications; the easy way is to go to one of the scientific paper access sites and use their citation. But these seem inconsistent. For example:

Scriber, J. Mark 1990. "Interaction of Introgression From Papilio Glaucus Canadensis and Diapause in Producing "Spring Form" Eastern Tiger Swallowtail Butterflies, P. Glaucus (Lepidoptera: Palilionidae),"The Great Lakes Entomologist, vol 23 (3)

Schmidt, Christian. (2019). “More on Ontario Tiger Swallowtails.” Toronto Entomologists’ Association Season Summary, Ontario Lepidoptera 2019.
Scriber JM. Assessing ecological and physiological costs of melanism in North American Papilio glaucus females: two decades of dark morph frequency declines. Insect Sci. 2020 Jun;27(3):583-612. doi: 10.1111/1744-7917.12653. Epub 2019 Jan 7. PMID: 30456932; PMCID: PMC7277061.

Scriber JM. Assessing ecological and physiological costs of melanism in North American Papilio glaucus females: two decades of dark morph frequency declines. Insect Sci. 2020 Jun;27(3):583-612. doi: 10.1111/1744-7917.12653. Epub 2019 Jan 7. PMID: 30456932; PMCID: PMC7277061.

Any suggestions?

Chuck · by Chuck » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 pm

Leonard187 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:52 am
Thanks for your reply and I feel sorry for my carelessness because this information could be found in the new papilio paper you posted previously >0<
I just intuitively treated it as group polytes because of their similar appearance.

Adam is always very helpful.

I'd not worry too much about misID, that happens.

I can't tell you the number of times some sub-project in my research has eaten many hours of work, and then I discover that the work had already been done, the paper is on my computer, and I'd simply forgotten that I'd read it.

Leonard187 · by Leonard187 » Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:52 am

adamcotton wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:02 am Papilio hipponous is a separate species from the Philippines, not directly related to P. polytes but in the fuscus-group. Another species related to P. hipponous is P. prexaspes from the Malay Peninsula, Borneo and Indochina, with a subspecies in Hainan - bowringi. This subspecies is rather hard to obtain, as it lives only in the lowlands, and generally not in places people go to look for butterflies. It also looks superficially very like P. polytes, but note the lack of white spots along the forewing margin of all species in the fuscus-group.

Adam.

Thanks for your reply and I feel sorry for my carelessness because this information could be found in the new papilio paper you posted previously >0<
I just intuitively treated it as group polytes because of their similar appearance.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:53 am

While my whining got some attention, and an email...little has changed. If, and it's a big one, the situation becomes resolved, I will make a
retraction, unbelievably, this situation and my handling of it has cost me 2 relationships with other members of InsectNet. Find out who your friends are.

kevinkk · by kevinkk » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 am

It was only money. Thanks for being there.

grmanners · by grmanners » Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:32 pm

Please clarify. These are your specimens? Your labels? You are already confident in their ID? Otherwise, why label before posting?

adamcotton · by adamcotton » Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:02 am

Papilio hipponous is a separate species from the Philippines, not directly related to P. polytes but in the fuscus-group. Another species related to P. hipponous is P. prexaspes from the Malay Peninsula, Borneo and Indochina, with a subspecies in Hainan - bowringi. This subspecies is rather hard to obtain, as it lives only in the lowlands, and generally not in places people go to look for butterflies. It also looks superficially very like P. polytes, but note the lack of white spots along the forewing margin of all species in the fuscus-group.

Adam.

Leonard187 · by Leonard187 » Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:48 am

Recently I saw a specimen named Papilio hipponous which is much similar as P. polytes. However I cannot find it as a subspecies from above list. May
I know whether it is just a synonym of some sp. or ssp.?

alandmor · by alandmor » Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:36 pm

I just wanted to mention a possible alternative to the traditional No Pest Strips mentioned here. Hercon Vaportape II has the same active ingredient (Dichlorvos,10% vs. 18.6%) but in a more user-friendly, 1" x 4" thin strip and easier to cut. Vaportape II is intended to use as a fumigant in outdoor insect traps and is available from any place that sells insect pest management or insect monitoring supplies such as Great Lakes IPM, https://www.greatlakesipm.com/. The label says to replace after 12 weeks or when effectiveness diminishes. I'd imagine they'd last longer in an enclosed drawer. I have not used either product in insect drawers for pest control so can't vouch for their effectiveness or advisability of doing so since neither product are labelled for such use.

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Cabintom · by Cabintom » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:03 pm

I believe that this philosophy can also apply to habitat (in addition to weather or time of day). Most of my most exciting records here in DRC were captured in degraded habitats. I think many collectors who come to the tropics aim to do their collecting in pristine habitats (and there's certainly logic to this) and naturally pass-by "less optimal" locations.

Back in the day, when you you could safely camp in the forest and travel around relatively freely, lots collectors would visit Mt. Hoyo, here in Ituri. A common staging point was Nyankunde, which had an airstrip, hospital and a significant ex-pat community given the size of the village. Nyankunde is not all that biogeographically interesting and so it seems very few bothered to do any collecting in the area.
I've collected the holotype of Neptis morosopsis and discovered a colony of Euchrysops kabrosae at the top of the hill directly behind the hospital.

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