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Re: RIP Chuck Kondor
by Trehopr1 » Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:15 am
Chuck was a long time friend of mine for 27 years.
I have much to admire, appreciate, and forever treasure (in my lifetime) through his efforts. He was a purveyor of Natural History artifacts for at least 43 years !
In my prepared eulogy at his funeral I remarked at its end that: "I will miss my friend but, his kindness, generosity, and genuine Goodwill towards others will always follow me ---- wherever I go".
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Re: Global travel collecting
by Trehopr1 » Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:52 am
Well, now that you have heard from both "sides of the aisle" on this topic you will find your path somewhere in the middle ---- I hope.
There has been some good suggestions made here of how NOT TO LOOK LIKE A TOURIST and of how to stay "below the radar" of general attention. It has been said that it TAKES PATIENCE waiting likely (months) to get those approval permits. This is all common sense reasoning and yet it's still worth mentioning.
If you should someday find yourself ready for adventure I will always say make that first or second trip using a service/travel company OR seasoned collector/guide to see to all the arrangements of air flights, ground transportation, lodging, and period of stay. Maybe pricier this way but, YOU WILL GAIN experience yourself in the process and other trips can be finessed to your liking and at lesser expense.
I traveled in the early 1990s on two different group trips sponsored by the eminent lepidopterist Tom Emmel. Both of my trips (Ecuador, Bolivia) were absolutely wonderful in every respect; and totally carefree as Dr Emmel saw to it that everything ran smoothly. I took a third trip to the Dominican Republic with a seasoned collector and things also went smoothly and carefree. On all three trips I could focus my entire self just on being there and collecting.
A certain "devil may care" attitude seems to be easily embraced by experienced collectors OR those who are more the leader type than followers.... Many more of us are followers and we naturally want things easy and relatively trouble-free for the courtesy of us paying for the privilege !
Nothing wrong with that. We cannot all be leaders....
Should you decide on a place to go research the subject thoroughly. Weigh your options. I will still say that VERY LITTLE comes cheaply these days when traveling. If you are going to Central or South America it will likely require both a domestic flight and an international flight ($$).The rental of vehicles does not come cheaply anywhere ($) --- and the vehicle had better be a relatively new one or you may be driving a "lemon" which could break down on you.
You will want decent lodging so you are not sleeping with bed bugs or fleas (by going the frugal route). You don't want to wind up sleeping in your car or reading a road map to find your way anywhere because internet service is not very good in most places down there unless you are in the city.
Am I cautious/skeptical about international travel ?
You bet I am when going to places "UNUSUAL" for typical travel are what the intentions are.
Not everyone will necessarily agree (always) about topics brought up here. However, it does make for lively conversations and hopefully those most interested will learn something from ALL concerned.
✓ I just don't much appreciate individuals who summarily "brush off", scoff at, or belittle the wise thoughtful remarks put forth by some of us. An ALL KNOWING attitude is elitist, rude, and insulting !
You're also not "gaining any friends" when you place emojis like this alongside members posts as if laughing heartily at what they have to say....
Agree to disagree.... and move on WITHOUT YOUR attitude !
Very best Tim in whatever endeavors you choose to follow.
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Re: Ring light techniques?
by kmhcloseups » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:10 am
Light illuminates, shadow defines. Because of this I like to get my light source completely off axis from my camera lens. This allows for shadow to better define your subject and make details pop. For moths and other cooperative subjects (very little movement), I use a table top studio or light cube. One side of the box is LED lit and the other sides are reflective to bounce back and wrap the light around the subject. I do not employ the box with the LED side on top, but on one side or the other to really bring out detail.
Depending on the size you select, many of these cubes go for under $100 - cheap as photography goes.
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Re: RIP Chuck Kondor
by billgarthe » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:05 am
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Re: RIP Chuck Kondor
by Annarobertson1947 » Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:36 am
RIP Sir.
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Re: Global travel collecting
by kevinkk » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:55 pm
Chuck, to be fair, I wasn't robbed at gunpoint. Although I've "lost" a kayak and other equipment, it was sneak thieves that saw an opportunity.
This is an interesting thread, and I see that others have French Guiana as a likely destination, albeit the flight issue. Live and learn, in all
respects.
Our parks- yes they need to be protected from mass exodus of biology, I was asked to leave a state park in Calif. after setting up camp, I did notice
that just outside the park, there were no rules and the same bugs were about.
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Collecting in Peninsular Malaysia
by centipededede » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:47 pm
I will not be collecting in any National Parks or protected areas but I wanted to ask if anyone has had experience with collecting in peninsular Malaysia and safely and legally exporting material collected there. Is it possible to sort out permits and such paperwork without a local collaborator to help with the process? To my knowledge, legislation around collecting is much more lax than in Sarawak/Sabah and Indonesia but I couldn't find much. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Presentation
by centipededede » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:40 pm
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Re: Global travel collecting
by Chuck » Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:23 pm
Really, a lot is applicable to USA as well. Aside from the permit & import element involved with international, the same risks and challenges exist. Then again, the permit issue DOES raise its head in USA with MILLIONS of acres of National Parks, National Monuments, State Parks, wildlife refuges, and even Native American reservations.livingplanet3 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:01 pm Very interesting to read about these various experiences, perspectives and comments - a lot of useful information in this thread, for anyone considering a collecting trip to the tropics.
Jason D., at Cornell stated "your collection is your legacy" I'm not sure what good a bought and paid legacy is. Having valued a couple collections for donation purposes, I grow intimate with the collector through their personally captured specimens- I know where they went on vacation in 1976, I know when they got serious about collecting, I know which years during which they were at their peak. Some people collect refrigerator magnets to mark their travels but those go in the trash; an insect collection lives on, keeping the memory of that researcher alive.
Kevin, how in god's name does someone get robbed while conducting field work? What did you do, stumble into a pot field?
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Re: Global travel collecting
by livingplanet3 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:01 pm
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Re: Which kind of roach nymph?
by livingplanet3 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:28 pm
https://bugguide.net/node/view/1254066
Over the years, I've used bait stations (large roach) to control this species, with considerable success. In my case, they seem to be more of a seasonal, intermittent problem, than a continuous one.
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Re: Global travel collecting
by Chuck » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:24 pm
Let me reflect on age. I know a lot of collectors who, like me, planned to go "there" sometime "later." And they never got there. The reason is because by the time the travel became convenient they'd lost the ability.
International travel is brutally expensive (comparatively) when one is young. One trip could be 10% of 20% of the annual salary. And, being young generally brings some level of naivety- however, the young often learn fast.
Then life gets in the way.
Once you have a significant other/ spouse the challenges start: "why do you want to leave me? We could use the money for a house."
Then children. You going to leave the kids for two or three weeks? Leave them for the wife to care for? As a single father, my last three trips to Solomon Islands involved ZERO field work- I went there, did work work, and rushed back. Talk about a shame. This period of your life lasts 20-25 years. When you're done you will not be the same person as before.
All along, costs increase. House. Two cars. Insurance. Family vacations.
Now, with some free time, and some money, I suppose I could go overseas again. But guess what, I don't have the stamina to pull off the extended lack of sleep and physical abuse of field work for sustained periods. My friends in the Pacific clamor for me to come back, free lodging! And I'm sure I'd enjoy the trip, but sure as heck I'd not be the explorer I once was.
Go when you're young.
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Re: Agrias butterflies
by adamcotton » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:04 pm
viewtopic.php?t=1554
Please continue that thread there rather than here, so posts about Agrias can continue in this thread.
Adam.
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Re: Global travel collecting
by adamcotton » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:55 pm
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Re: Agrias butterflies
by kevinkk » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:23 pm
I've been robbed twice in Oregon. In the field. I wouldn't set foot any where near Portland, or any other population center.Chuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:55 pm es, there are places to avoid. In USA, the red/blue voting map is a good start- stay out of red areas. The good thing is that there aren't many insects of interest in the red areas. These areas are largely urban areas, and the same rule applies elsewhere- avoid. This is, of course, dependent on the area. And I think John already stated: stay out of bars, strip joints, social demonstrations; and nothing good ever happens after 10pm.
That being said, I do have wonderful memories of my trip to the Dominican Republic back in the 80's, it was a group organized by a Florida travel agency, advertised in the Lepidopterist's Society.
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Re: First butterfly of 2024
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Re: First butterfly of 2024
by Chuck » Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:43 pm
Zebras should be flying in KY as soon as this storm front passes.
Pipevines fly in FL pretty much year round; certainly they are out and abundant by now.
Near Lake Ontario, I did see a Pieris rapae the last few days of March. Since then, nothing. We are one month from the emergency of the Papilio glaucus "spring form" and that's when my work starts- somewhat ironically, I just dug the last thorn from 2023 out of my thigh.
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Re: Agrias butterflies
by Chuck » Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:55 pm
John Shuey's initial post on the topic is loaded with gold, and I'd advise any potential traveler to parse every sentence.
Global travel has never been easier. There are airfields virtually everywhere, thanks to WW2; the only country I can think of that doesn't have air service is Tokelau. You can book lodging almost anywhere directly; you can use satellite imagery to examine the immediate area. You can book a beat up rental vehicle in PNG from Joliet.
When and where to target particular taxa is at your fingertips; no more digging through piles of paper publications, no more letter writing just send email.
Note though, and to answer the OP question, targeting a specific taxon that's generally rare will be done at the cost of ignoring virtually everything else...and that everything else is where the real joy is; it's in finding species that are not commercially viable yet eye opening. As John said, don't go with a list- just go.
Now, I'm having trouble thinking of ANYTHING that's not more easily learned than when done with someone who's done it. The success rate of collecting in a foreign country is highly influenced by having a guide, be it a fellow collector and/or a local guide. This is not to say just showing up alone won't be wonderful- I've done it many times. But then I adapt to cultures quickly and make friends readily, so it's only days until I've hooked up with everyone I need.
I bring what I need- my favorite clothing, nets, envelopes, etc. When I leave, the nets, extra envelopes, ID guides, boots stay behind with young, aspiring commercial collectors. And guess who I call first when I get back in country, or an associate is going to visit that country.
On danger: there are two sources of danger with a common denominator: YOU.
Yes, there are places to avoid. In USA, the red/blue voting map is a good start- stay out of red areas. The good thing is that there aren't many insects of interest in the red areas. These areas are largely urban areas, and the same rule applies elsewhere- avoid. This is, of course, dependent on the area. And I think John already stated: stay out of bars, strip joints, social demonstrations; and nothing good ever happens after 10pm.
"The LIST" referred to is largely a joke. It's compiled by bureaucrats who've never even been to those countries. This list has elevated concerns for countries including Costa Rica, Germany, France, Belgium, etc. Go read the AUS warnings about USA, it's always good for entertainment. As for the "no go" countries like Afghanistan, if you don't know that you shouldn't go, what's there the say...
No, you don't want to run into a cocaine production facility in FARC territory in Colombia. Nor do you want to stumble across an illicit pot field in NY, a meth lab in rural KY, or a human coyote in southern AZ. That's where local guides can both avoid and extract from situations.
But so far as criminals go, the key denominator is YOU. Criminals evaluate risk vs reward, they aren't stupid. So don't increase their reward. Some tourists are an easy mark- gullible, scared, and influenced with the simplest suggestion. Being loud, flashy, and rich increases the reward. But so too does being arrogant, loud, and rude- that increases the SOCIAL reward for punishing cultural violations.
The non-human danger is environmental. Those who are outdoor oriented are at an advantage, even if the jungle is foreign to them. There are dangers- snakes, cliffs, things in the sea, storms. For those who are pansies, they're in for a world of hurt- better to take a cruise ship. Every day NYSDEC publishes a list of rescues in the Adirondack mountains, and my buddies and I laugh our butts off- every one is the same "from NYC area with inadequate clothing." Wait...these are the same mountains we hike, year-round. So really, it's not the environment, it's the individual...some people should just stay inside. But for those who have a bit of outdoor experience, and some common sense, the real dangers of the environment will be recognized and avoided.
One thing that really hasn't been brought up is patience. Developing countries are not on a schedule. If they get around to your permit today, or next Tuesday, is immaterial to them. If you're in a hurry, and start demanding, you'll have problems. If your ride shows up three hours late, well there's tomorrow- unless you're on a schedule. Expect delays, expect a two hour project to take five days. Be patient, and don't get upset. If you plan to jet to Panama for five days and think you'll achieve much, you'll be sorely disappointed. Further to that, most developing country people work on RELATIONSHIPS, and that takes time to develop.
Tropical collecting isn't about bringing home a dollar amount. From the worst perspective, if you're 25 and skip the trip and invest that $5000 for 40 years, it will be worth $51,500. Screw that. Save money elsewhere- don't buy Starbucks every day. An overseas collecting trip IS an investment- not in bugs, in YOU. "The Ugly American Tourist" - don't be that person. Get out, and see the world, experience other cultures, eat other foods, see different environments. SURE you may be scared, and you probably will get frustrated by the lack of speed/progress- this is building relationships and character. It's building a better you. If, like most Americans (and Canadians and Europeans) if you're afraid of spiders and guns and sharks, maybe you won't be when you're done. You'll learn to appreciate the miracle of the flush toilet. You'll learn that indeed you can get by without electricity. And likely you'll sneer at the tourist that complains about having to sit in the airplane center seat for 90 minutes, because you'll know that inconvenience is trivial.
You want to watch TV the rest of your life, stay home. Mow your little lawn, buy your bugs online. Or get out, and build a better you.
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Re: First butterfly of 2024
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Re: Agrias butterflies
by Paul K » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:08 pm
You’ll feel comfortable, safe and have shelter just in case you end up having no place to sleep. You will also be mobile to search for good collecting spots and you won’t be exposed to potential predators, local people are usually friendly but you don’t want to end up face to face with the bad guy in the forest. Keep your eyes open and stay alert.