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Re: Agrias butterflies

by Chuck » Tue May 21, 2024 12:26 pm

Annarobertson1947 wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 7:47 am I understand this but one would have to admit that a lot of dealers do stretch things in asking price to point of absurdity
There is of course the point of asking as much as possible to maximize profit. There's a good chance somebody will come along and pay it. Remember, there are those for whom paying $300 too much is nothing, because it's only $300.

On the other hand, high $$ value attracts those who see themselves as top rarities collectors. I learned this many years ago at the LA Bug Show- I had a rare beetle that didn't sell on day 1. But instead of reducing the price on Day 2, I tripled the price. It sold quickly...then others were running to ask if I had more.

Finally, the high-$$ specimens may be part of the dealer's collection and they don't need to sell it, maybe don't want to sell it. I do this. I may price a $4000 item at $6000; you want to pay $6000 then you can have it, but otherwise I'll keep it, thank you.

It's easy for a dealer to initially price high, and reduce the price if it doesn't sell. That is what's typically and universally done.
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by Chuck » Tue May 21, 2024 12:18 pm

wollastoni wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 1:33 pm
Agrias are involved in very complex mimicry rings triggering different forms in each zone of Amazonia. Studying the distribution of each forms is very interesting. Each Rio of Amazonia seems to trigger different forms, these are the local forms. Then you have some individual forms (various forms inside the same population). Then you have "hybridization" between forms/subpecies at contact zones. Mix all that, and you have the craziness of Agrias (sub)genus ! That's why they are so interesting to study/collect.
A situation we are finding is far more common that ever thought- and not just in butterflies. Regional speciation in progress, recombinant hybrids, etc. In so many taxa, we can no longer put a specimen into a nice little "species box" anymore.
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Re: Vanessa atalanta migration 2024

by Chuck » Tue May 21, 2024 12:09 pm

adamcotton wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 8:50 am Maybe they mated, laid eggs and now there are larvae 'everywhere'? It will be interesting to see what happens later in the year.

Adam.
A reasonable hypothesis, which had not occurred to me. If this is the case, the young Urtica foodplants would be stripped to nothing; though, they readily regrow. Yes, I suppose we may well be revisiting this in a month or so!
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by wollastoni » Tue May 21, 2024 9:20 am

It is all about offer and demand, Anna.
If sellers don't sell their "rare forms", the price will decrease.

Prices are going down on Agrias for various reasons :
- several species are now bred. Prices of phalcidon excelsior forms have collapsed for example. From $1,000 to $100 in few years.
- more and more "old collections" are for sale in Europe (many collectors are very old / dead and their collection are for sale), reinjecting a lot of Agrias specimens on the market.
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Re: Vanessa atalanta migration 2024

by adamcotton » Tue May 21, 2024 8:50 am

Maybe they mated, laid eggs and now there are larvae 'everywhere'? It will be interesting to see what happens later in the year.

Adam.
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by Annarobertson1947 » Tue May 21, 2024 7:47 am

I understand this but one would have to admit that a lot of dealers do stretch things in asking price to point of absurdity
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Re: Vanessa atalanta migration 2024

by Paul K » Mon May 20, 2024 10:55 pm

I saw few 150km north of Toronto but nothing like few weeks ago on the shores of Lake Ontario
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Re: Vanessa atalanta migration 2024

by Chuck » Mon May 20, 2024 2:55 pm

Now that I think of it, I've not seen any in a while. Watch, I'll spot one later today. But, clearly they are not blasting around by the hundreds anymore.
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by wollastoni » Mon May 20, 2024 1:33 pm

Don't see them like that.
Agrias are involved in very complex mimicry rings triggering different forms in each zone of Amazonia. Studying the distribution of each forms is very interesting. Each Rio of Amazonia seems to trigger different forms, these are the local forms. Then you have some individual forms (various forms inside the same population). Then you have "hybridization" between forms/subpecies at contact zones. Mix all that, and you have the craziness of Agrias (sub)genus ! That's why they are so interesting to study/collect.

Especially on some species like phalcidon (the king of Agrias species to my mind).
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Re: Bug Fair May 18 and 19 Los Angeles Natural History Museum

by Chuck » Mon May 20, 2024 12:05 pm

We've discussed this here in the past, same story.

LA is a great show, specimens you won't find commercially (some people don't feel like shipping), plus you get to meet some great collectors.

I tried on the east coast, there's little interest and costs are high (particularly insurance). The only way this could start up is as suggested, get some other collectors to start a niche at a gem or reptile show.

European shows are more successful because:
1. Momentum- once a show is running it's "easy" to keep going; starting a show is tough.
2. Not too far/ expensive- All of Europe can fit into US northeast; NY to California is a full day of air travel each way
3. US has plenty of forests and wild areas close to just about anywhere, less of a need to buy specimens
4. Culture- Europeans are more into exotic stuff like aquarium fishes, antiquities, etc.
5. USA has more alternative interest opportunities...Europe has far fewer motorcyles, snowmobiles, camping, etc. There more Porsches in USA and even more ski resorts in USA than in Europe.
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Re: Papilio rutulus

by lamprima2 » Mon May 20, 2024 3:04 am

Thanks, Chuck
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by Annarobertson1947 » Sun May 19, 2024 11:41 pm

wollastoni wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 3:46 pm Excellent books indeed.

And the more you will study Agrias, the more questions you will have ! It is a very interesting (and difficult) group.
Well the confusion is compounded by the plethora of form names that i see as a money making system for dealers.
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Re: French Guiana - October 2021

by wollastoni » Sun May 19, 2024 4:18 pm

Another great video from my colleague Michel Belloin in French Guiana.
It gives you an idea of how diverse the fauna is in Amazonia (when not destroyed).

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Re: Agrias butterflies

by wollastoni » Sun May 19, 2024 3:46 pm

Excellent books indeed.

And the more you will study Agrias, the more questions you will have ! It is a very interesting (and difficult) group.
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Re: Agrias butterflies

by Annarobertson1947 » Sun May 19, 2024 7:43 am

I think all my questions are now answered, i purchased Manfreds book
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Re: Californica darlingtonia

by kevinkk » Sat May 18, 2024 2:42 pm

Like a lot of things, it started small. Soon, there was more, then I found a large farm style water trough at a garage sale, and that is what
I am using now, quite unmovable at this point, full of peat, soil mixture, and the water. Like I mentioned, it's reaching a mature balance
of what is going to grow, some get crowded out, and it's all pitcher plants at this stage, very effective at passive capture, sometimes I can
hear insects buzzing inside of the pitchers.
The Darlingtonia are growing better than I expected, after reading their ideal requirements, a little slow growing, but at the time, seed was one of
the few ways to acquire the species, now it seems they could eventually take over.
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Re: Californica darlingtonia

by Chuck » Sat May 18, 2024 1:57 pm

I love bogs, they are so unique. To have a home garden like that is amazing.
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Re: Papilio rutulus

by Chuck » Sat May 18, 2024 1:55 pm

That is a spectacular specimen, well demonstrating the potential size and morphology of the female. A tiny blemish does nothing to diminish it in any way.
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Photographs

by lamprima2 » Sat May 18, 2024 4:59 am

Dear Moderators,
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Les Fleurs du mal

by lamprima2 » Sat May 18, 2024 4:52 am

Here are a few more weird backyard flowers:
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