Thank you!! Found what I needed.

Done, it is back. Thanks Chuck

Thanks for the notice, I think I know what the problem could be. Let me work on that.

In November I noted that the archived forum was unsearcheable.

Now the archive forum appears to be "gone". The link in Board Index to the "Old Forum" shows a file "cgi-bin" but clicking that returns "Error 403 Forbidden."

I really would like to get on the archive, there's information I need.

Many arctic or high mountain butterflies go through more than one year to complete their life cycle. In Central Asia, some Parnassius have a 2-year cycle, so are only found in numbers in even (or odd) years, with only the occasional specimen in other years.

A friend of mine once reared Euphydryas intermedia from the high Alps, which is considered to have a 2-year cycle. He actually got a couple of adults out the first year, several more the second year, then one or two each year over the next 5 years!

Some lowland species will also occasionally go through more than one year in response to adverse conditions such as drought.

kevinkk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:10 pm That is news to me, in fact, I had no idea any butterfly would overwinter more than once.

Perhaps it's habitat, I think indra is found in the drier parts of Oregon, and presumably likewise in other locales.

Hardly a day goes by I don't learn something new, that says something... I need to get out more possibly.

Eurytides has has a MidSummer Tiger dipause over two winters, and that's in the eastern North America. I've had polyphemus and promethea overwinter two years, with polyphemus being more common, maybe close to 2%.

"get out" is one means of observation; breeding/ raising is another. In our studies of the MidSummer Tiger both efforts have contributed to understanding of the taxon. In fact, with the MidSummer Tiger, eurytides' documentation of the larval morphology, food plants, and growth has provided a critical facet of the taxon that's often missing when descriptions & notes are based solely on the adults; without it, the description would be far less comprehensive.

Also, I've discovered often that when I have some new idea or question it's already been documented in a publications- someone else already thought of it, somebody else already did the work. Also, many publications are so chock full of little "hints" and observations that it's easy to overlook them; in some cases I didn't catch little things like double dipause until the fifth, or tenth, re-read of a publication.

The easiest way to find out more is do what you did- post it here, and let others provide insights. It's helpful too if enthusiasts post field notes or breeding notes, because they can then be searched here; keeping lessons learned a secret, or simply not bothering to share, is a loss to everyone.

That is news to me, in fact, I had no idea any butterfly would overwinter more than once.

Perhaps it's habitat, I think indra is found in the drier parts of Oregon, and presumably likewise in other locales.

Hardly a day goes by I don't learn something new, that says something... I need to get out more possibly.

Sure as you can see, the app does not include "犹" in the original text so it doesn't translate it.
It includes only the character it recognizes of course. If the label was less blured, it would have included it.

In this example, Shichinohe town is a precise enough locality.

Yes it is a P. citrinarius specimen, a classic locality for it.

It seems like a great app. However, to ensure, you might as well have it checked with a native speaker of the language used for the label.

The app failed to read 犹, which is not an often-used character, skipped it, and translated it as "flowers." 犹花 is the name of a place.

So the label should be:
七戸町/犹花　
Shichinohe Town / Ezobana

Is it a label for a Parnassius citrinarius specimen?

Kuni

Thanks Adam, it is in the "Blog" section.

Not sure it deserves a specific menu section.
Maybe in the future when we will have more "tools".

By the way, if you guys dream of any other digital tools that could be useful. I would be happy to think about it.

This looks really useful for collectors and researchers.

Will a link to this service be posted on the Insectnet homepage or somewhere easy to find? Currently it seems only to be accessible through this thread.

Adam.

All entomologists are sometimes faced with this problem: you have a specimen with a label written in Chinese, Japanese or any language you don’t know well (French, Czech…) … or a label in English badly written by a previous collector.

You’d like to know where the specimen comes from and when it was collected.
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This is what it does on a Japanese label : Now you know that it comes from the city of Shichinohe (Japan), the collecting date, that the specimen was caught on a flower and you have the name of the collector !
You even have a Google Map link towards the identified locality !

The maximum size for the label is 1 MB.

Please try it and let me know if it can be improved.
It took me few weeks to develop it and I hope it will be useful to some of you. Let your collector friends know about it.

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Typically males emerge days or more before females. With most Saturnids especially, the males are at the female within minutes after she starts calling.

Overwintering more than one year is apparently more common than I thought. Just yesterday I was told by a researcher about western Papilio (I’d have to guess indra) May diapause through three winters. Even more interesting, the parasitic Ichneumon does likewise. It makes sense to ensure species survival through a dry summer or fires. What’s really mind blowing though is the arms race with the parasite!

You may be frustrated with your female, but they do things for a reason, even if we don’t understand it.

Has this happened to you?

Your livestock, after being diapaused for an atypical amount of time, hatches, and the female lays eggs almost immediately, meaning
that instead of sitting and looking pretty for several days or more, she starts laying on night number 1.

I can see the logic in animals waiting for the right conditions and remaining for more than one season, but it's not going to help the
species if eggs are being laid with only a matter of hours in which to pair up.

I've noticed that eventually virtually everything that can happen, will happen, but besides being frustrating, it's a minus for the species.

Thanks very much paul

Chuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:55 pm Well done! You must be excited after such an effort.

Chuck, I am excited about it. After I made the post, I was thinking that there is a particular feeling of accomplishment having the effort bring some results, now, it may be simply providing the right conditions, or just luck, sometimes, it seems both work equally well, or not.
Right now, I have the female in a cooler room in a separate cage and it remains to be seen if a male will hatch in the window of
opportunity.
A beautiful animal, looking much like our Hyalophora, or Rothschildia.

Sometimes we try and replicate native conditions to give the insects the best chance, sometimes it works, even this last season, I had some
Citheronia splendens pupa which I'd raised from ova, overwintered them, and while all hatched, there weren't any matings , however,
a buyer who bought only 3 pupa, 2 females and 1 male, had a pairing, there's a lottery win right there.
Just getting a pairing is only part of the process, fertile ova, and accepted food plant, assuming it's available considering our seasonal changes.

Did you ever get your bugs?

Well done! You must be excited after such an effort.

At long last, after at least 13 months I have an adult female, having hatched last night.
An interesting development, I brought the cocoons back into the warm room about 2 months ago,
and after reading a similar post on the Actias site, decided to renew the effort, cycling the heater
and humidifier the last couple days.
The cage I use for climate control, you can see is plastic, I have a small wall heater and the humidifier
to increase moisture and heat. Apparently something worked, or perhaps it's just time.
Now, I can leave (probably) her for a few days before the specimen has a risk of flight damage.