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Re: Indomalyan Saturniidae distribution maps?

by adamcotton » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:21 pm

There is a map in the publication available here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303313082

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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by adamcotton » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:16 pm

Chuck wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:42 pm one fresh M captured
Is this also MST?

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Re: Indomalyan Saturniidae distribution maps?

by lamprima2 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:58 pm

Thank you both!
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by Chuck » Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:42 pm

16july2024: storms all day. Lucky for us the tornados hit Rome NY instead of us again.

17july2024: all day rain.

18july2024. 73F/22C, mostly cloudy, breezy
4 observed, one fresh M captured. missed a fresh F. The F and other 2 observed stayed in the trees. This was my primary study hilltop, which did get the downpours and wind, but not the hail. No apparent damage to hilltop plants. P troilus more common, Speyeria common.

Checked a couple other fields w/ the yellow cup plant, still only 10% bloom. Fields with Teasel as well. Nothing.
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Re: Do you own a museum?

by kevinkk » Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:55 pm

Super post. Well written and well rounded.
My museum is more like all my rooms over the years rolled into one. toys, books and bugs. I like things original, but I can't swing that
original Creature from the Black Lagoon poster, but my Hammer movie posters are real. Besides the science books, there's the fiction.

Arkham house, Lovecraft and his buddies. The Kindle has everything. but there's nothing like holding an 80 year old hardcover by Robert E. Howard.
A little while ago, I stopped adding to my museum because of depressing health issues, but, I realized that I'm not dead yet, so there are
recent additions, and I'm working on more.

The need to know. At school I was teased for being smart, well, ok, call me Mr. Spock. So, how's being a twit working out for you? I collect anything interesting ,and there's a lot of interesting things. My saltwater fish, although they are getting to be love/hate, if that clown fish would quit biting me, it'd be nice. Old things are wonderful, I have all the old family photos I could lay my hands on, not everyone appreciates these pictures, I have them scanned, and the hard copies as well, without history, we don't know where we came from. I see guys riding logs down a river, and stacking hay.
The rule of collecting and saving stuff- like what you buy and buy what you like.

Build bigger rooms, with more wall space. mine are covered in shelving, posters, and one of my favorites, of which you cannot have an original-
the prehistoric cave painting prints, which are really amazing.
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Re: Collecting moths in places not near home - how to bring equipment?

by vabrou » Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:51 pm

Collecting moths in places not near home - how to bring equipment?

For me I use a small cargo container (highway compliant), spare tires for cargo container and vehicle (pick-up truck or van. And I bring 6 light traps and associated collection chambers, also spare lamps and tubes. I collect clearwing moths so I usually bring anywhere up to 100+ lure traps with bucketful of granular NaCn, and quart of ethyl acetate. I have two 6,000 watt gasoline powered electrical generators and bring at least one sometimes two. I bring 50+ gallons of gasoline in case I stay several days/nights. Two weed whackers, I even bring a portable electric refrigerator or freezer, lots of water, and food, and if you have a small habatchi I have even had steaks, sausages, etc. I'll even bring frozen daiquiris for those unbearable 90-100 degree F days and nights. Bring lots of ice for 3 or more days. Gallons of water to wash hands, feet etc. I often have (4) 20" electrical box fans, or I also have used a small window size electrical air-conditioner to use in the tent. In winter time collecting I bring one or two 1800-Watt Electric Oil-Filled Radiator Space Heaters for overnight in tent. I bring extra pants and shirts socks and shoes, an inflatable bed or cot, pillow, blankets, paper towels, cloth rags and towels, etc., several folding chairs and folding work-table, wind up alarm clock. I bring writing utensils, tons of paper envelopes (I never use glassine envelopes). I bring dozens of foam bottom pinning containers for captured specimens. (5-10) chlorocresol charged relaxing containers for those specimens to return home with in fresh condition like capture hours ago even though they were actually captured 3-4 days ago. Don't forget 5,000+ insect pins, several tweezers, hypodermic syringes, pint of 70% isopropyl alcohol, multiple cameras, tool box with a lot of tools. Most importantly, I always bring a battery-powered radio, cell phone, knives, machete, a gun, holster and ammo for personal protection from wild hogs, bears, and those occasional two-legged pest. 500 feet of top quality extension cords, 10-3, 12-3, 14-3, 16-3 gauge sizes. Mosquito repellent, band-aids, bandages, calamine lotion, triple antibiotic ointment, meds for usual medical problems you may have for several days beyond your planned trip days, diabetes, etc., burns, eye injuries, injuries due to toxic plants, insects, snakes, etc., cell phone. Did I mention guns and ammo, if you can't remember, just bring more guns and ammo, one can never have enough guns and ammo? NOW YOU KNOW WHY I NEED A CARGO CONTAINER. Oh, I occasionally bring fishing rods and tackle, for those opportunistic times.
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Do you own a museum?

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:55 pm

Is your home a museum?

From my very youth, I loved museums and libraries. Everything was there to look at in real life, in detail. Everything was at your fingertips in 3D. Museums are of course educational displays of niches of the world, but they are also collections.

I'll not wax on about what psychologists say about collectors, their needs, the drivers, their insecurities. To me, a collection is a museum, right at home. A library BTW is a collection of books yet I rarely see the shrinks say much about peoples' libraries.

The problem with museums and libraries is that to the experience they are mundane and boring. They are limited to what they display. Not to say the displays aren't cool- look at the insect displays at AMNH and Carnegie. But they don't have everything. And, you can't touch them.

My parents called me "Dr. Why" because I always asked "why." I want to know it all. I must know. I must do it. How do you time the chain after replacing the cylinder head? What does make the AK47 so special, and why do people still actually believe Kalashnikov designed it? Why does our Tiger Swallowtail look different than the rest? What do you mean there were significant economic factors that would induce New England to embrace war with the southern states? What type of bird is that in the headdress? Why do people from Norway look different from the Indonesians? What do you mean Norwegian language is related to Hungarian, how can that be? When did they stop making US coins with silver? Is Stanleyville any better off now?

And so, my home has become a museum and library. And, even better, there's no stupid Starry Night reprints, no junk machine made carpets, it's all cool artwork- bokhara carpets, papyrus paintings, real insects, Fiji warclubs, precolombian masks, antique Hmong hill tribe outfits, Meow tribe silver jewelry, Original US Army photos used for small arms training manuals, Tongan Tapa mats, my god what else, etc.

The library of course delves into incredible details you won't find in public libraries- long forgotten explorers, now forgotten battles of WW2, global history, nature, you name it. Plus of course the antique books.

My wife will tell you I never got rid of anything. This is true; I have my grade school artwork, 50 YO Aurora dinosaur models, cap guns, bb guns, a piece of USS Constitution, you name it, I got it. Except stamps- those I laminated and use for bookmarks. Coins? I search every handful I get and pull out silver and wheat pennies which go in the jug of silver dollars and Kennedy halves. I have type specimens, and in other fields I have the earliest, I have the only one known to still exist.

Oh no! A psychologically challenged collector! Perhaps, but I do part with stuff. When the missus asked how we were going to pay for a new boat I said "I'll sell this item I've had" and done. When she needed a new vehicle I said "oh I just some some of this old stuff, let's pay cash." My museum has never crashed and lost as much as my 401k. And some of this old junk is now stupid money. My god, I wish my dad let me buy that 1969 Shelby Cobra GT500 for $7500. I'd be retired today.

I do not like boring homes with repop artwork prints and cheap fake flowers. I like MUSEUM HOMES! And garages. The focus may not be my thing, so it's fun to explore, ask questions, handle, and learn. YES I DO want to see your Buprestids! One buddy has hundreds of those old planes, he can recreate any crown molding dating back to the early 1800s. Another has motorcyles behind a velvet rope- in the living room. Another who recently passed had every machine gun known to man. The brother restore 1930s vintage racing sailboats (they have some cash.) Another couple has their own maritime museum focusing on local history. I LOVE museums. I suppose since they're not MY collection they don't count for the shrink analysis.

I am in the process of downsizing. Aside from artwork-type stuff that could be considered standard fare for a normal house, at one time the stuff was under every bed, filled every closet, and packed the basement. It's not like you had to navigate through piles of stuff to get around the house. Not that I have a problem with that- the best private museum ever was the Sargon Museum of Natural History (my coin, it didn't actually have a name, just an apartment number.) And this place was floor to ceiling packed with butterflies you've never seen, cultural artifacts, antiquities, fossils, you name it...and not the stuff you could get with money, it was the stuff you could only get with the best connections. Despite what some would call "cluttered" you didn't actually have to move, you could sit on the sofa and just look at stuff. Or, pick up the mammoth ivory arm band, or the Viking spearhead sitting on the coffee table next to a 2' tall stack of books. It was joy.

Some interests go, but the collection doesn't. When I was a teen we'd go to the bank, buy $50 in silver dollars, and sort out the real silver coins. I haven't done that in 45 years but I still have those coins; haven't seen them in three years though. I know I have some old black power cannons- actually shoot- from museum gift shops back in the day. LOL. Not any more! Wait, you want to eat dinner with Cutco knives? Not in this house. I'll admit to having parted with the 1960s Hoover vacuum...technology put it to shame. I do have every single cell phone I've ever had, functional, including the Motorola Brick; this isn't collecting, I may need one some day. It's about time to rotate the 7' hand painting of Angkor Wat for something else.

Why spend money on a new Honda Civic when you can buy used the first year 2009 Acura TLS SHAWD with 307 naturally aspirated HP for less? So every time you need a car, you don't buy a cheap new one, you buy a cheap classic. I'll admit though, without a storage barn the autos became a chore and I did part with most of them. Like everything, if you take care of it it will last a long time, and if you keep them all next thing you know, you have a collection. Uh oh. It creeps up on you.

The library. I always loved those old British manor estates, passed down through generations, because they have a five tier library. Now we're talking. Why toss old books, your great-great-great-grandson might want to read it. So while my library wasn't even three tiers, it was pretty extensive. Wife said I can't keep it all when we move. I was aghast. But there were books I'd never read again, despite being great books, and nobody else seems to want to read them. Heck, nobody in my family has read the books I've written, I just can't understand, doesn't everyone love reference books? So the books have been going to new homes- most, not ironically, other collectors. I've dumped virtually all of my old SciFi, though did pull out Canticle for Leibowitz to read one last time.

So incidentally, almost accidentally, in-depth interests and time have conspired to build me a fabulous museum. You know, I like it.

What's your museum look like?
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by wollastoni » Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:27 pm

With a view to continuous improvement, I have financed a modern, 10x faster version of the insectnet.com core site.
This will make the site easier to visit, should please Google and therefore attract even more people to InsectNet. The site will also be quicker to update.

There is some fine-tuning to do to improve the look & feel, but this will be done in the coming weeks.

It may also solve the Server Issue we had in the recent past on the forum. (I haven't seen the error 500 for many weeks now).
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:41 pm

eurytides wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:36 pm I hope there aren’t any more bumps in the road. Also, I hope your brand new deck wasn’t damaged!
The irony, and I do have to laugh while crying, is that the storm created a new drainage path which is right into the basement window...which is under the deck which took me 4 weeks to restore and is only 18" high at the house, so some of the decking has to come up.

There are always bumps in the road. "I can't wait until..."

I get a part time job, then I won't be poor anymore
I can drive, so I'll have freedom
I graduate college and can make big money
I can buy a house of my own and be my own king
The kids are out of the house and we're free
Mom and Dad don't need the care as they age
I can retire and be free

All along the road of life there are bumps. We often look for that great ray of sunlight right around the corner, when life is easy. Yet somehow, the sun comes, then the storms, and we never really have it easy. There may be a perfect day, maybe even a perfect week, but there is no perfect year.

The optimist waits eagerly to overcome that "final" hurdle.

The pessimist knows there's always another train around the bend.

The realist realizes today isn't so bad, and you don't get it back; don't wait for the easy life to enjoy life.
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by eurytides » Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:36 pm

I hear you on the lack of time issue Chuck. Take care of your home and family. I hope there aren’t any more bumps in the road. Also, I hope your brand new deck wasn’t damaged!
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:31 pm

I proposed to name a species "tennentisapennis" but it didn't even make it to the elitist New Englanders, I was threatened with death.

I wonder if "berniewasaloonis" would have gone over better.

I also proposed "xiwangrex" in honor of a Canadian colleague researcher, but that got nixed.

Hmmm..."gypsymothus" would be a good try. Catocala gypsymothus.

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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by vabrou » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:04 pm

Chuck,
Reminds me when in 2003 I submitted a manuscript, a generic revision of the moth genus Baileya, which included describing two new species of moths. One of those proposed names was Baileya coonassi. That name was chosen because the new species was most common in an area across southern Louisiana in which the human population of Canadian acadians emigrated to and settled long ago in Louisiana. That local population proudly refer to themselves as coonasses, but not any coonass, but Registered Coon Asses These RCAs can be found working throughout the oil, gas, heavy construction, fishng industry and numerous areas of the workforce. You may find this attached emblem and similar ones on hardhats, tool boxes and vehicle bumpers, etc. These peoples are proud to be known and referred to as RCAs.

But alas, the ignorant elitist good old boy network from the New England area not knowing any better assumed it was a derogatory term and rejected it. So I changed it to the Baileya acadiana Brou, which still referred to the same population of humans. The other new species name I proposed was Baileya ellessyoo Brou. That name was derived from a rhyme of the acronym of my Alma Mater, Louisiana State University Medical Center, the acronym (LSU).

That 2003 freely accessible generic revision (pdf) is available at this link: https://www.academia.edu/20406808/TWO_N ... TATES?sm=b

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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:57 pm

eurytides wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:53 pm When you have a bit more time on your hands, perhaps you could share some pics?
Time I am rather short of. I am so far behind in everything I want to do. You may be retired by the time I get to it. I just dumped another couple hundred papered specimens, some of which dated to the 1970s because I know I'll never get to them.
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by eurytides » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:39 pm

Hybrids between these taxa are not very common. When you have a bit more time on your hands, perhaps you could share some pics?
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:46 am

The Catocala olivia are stunning.

Vernon, I didn't realize you were the source of Catocala atocala...I always smile when I read that. Tennent tried Polyura thane; the stuffed shirt British reviewers couldn't figure out what he was up to (kinda obvious, to me) but knew he was up to something with that name, so rebuffed his naming and it never became.
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by Chuck » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:43 am

Thanks guys,

No serious damage other than my wife's vehicle. Still have some repair to do, but not urgent anymore. My reference collection was never threatened, and other than the vehicle the only property loss was moving boxes; now just some home repair. The heavy rains created their own little river, right into the basement so that needs to be fixed.

16july2024 was also heavy rains, so didn't go out.

@eurytides, great find with the angulifera; they're stunning adults. I've previously reported that here SW of you we had promethea in quantity forever, which were replaced by angulifera...but now, virtually no Saturnidae. My first find of angulifera in this area was July 2009, a beat, dead specimen found floating in the lake...I was soooo excited. Subsequently, some of the females that came to lights which I retained I cannot determine to be promethea or angulifera, so I presume they are hybrids.
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Re: Tiger Swallowtails of NY: Finger Lakes, Part II

by eurytides » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:23 am

Chuck, this is terrible! I hope your wife and kids weren’t injured. Losing stuff sucks, but in the end, it’s just “things.” Having said that, I certainly hope you didn’t sustain damage to your collection and other items you hold dear. I hope your wife was exaggerating a bit when she was describing the flooding???

The last female tiger you posted does look like MST.

I was in the St. Williams area last week as well, just missed Paul I guess. Didn’t see many tigers. Found lots of A. clyton pupae though. I also found Callosamia angulifera larvae which was my whole reason for the trip. This is a very rare silkmoth for Canada and I am excited to rear them.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by vabrou » Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:24 pm

Here is another interesting one Catocala olivia Hy. Edw. which has a large dark brown patch on the upper forewings. This species in recent decades has been synonymized under Catocala alabama Grote pictured here male (middle) and female (upper). All of them taken here at my home, the *AESS. It appears that I have the largest series of C.olivia in North America.
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by vabrou » Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:55 pm

Here is another not often encountered smaller species of Catocala messalina, image of male attached from Kisatchie National Forest in Louisiana, USA. I had captured 55 specimens when I published a one-page species account on this species in Louisiana in 2003.
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Re: A parade of Catocala moths

by vabrou » Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:40 pm

Here is another species considered a form of Catocala agrippina for over a century, which I also described in scientific literature in 1985. Here too the species was distinct in both maculation and genitalia, differing from C. agrippina.. Paratypes of both male (bottom) and female (middle) of Catocala atocala Brou are attached. After I captured around 100 adults, along with C. agrippina at the same location I realized it was not a form of agrippina. At that time, very few specimens of it existed anywhere. It was pictured a century ago in Barnes, W.M. and J. McDunnough 1918. Illustrations of the North American species of the genus Catocala. Mem. Am. Mus. Nat. Hist. New Series, Vol. III, part 1. 47 pp. XXII plates, both color and B&W. I chose the species name 'atocala' which obviously is the genus name minus the letter 'C', no particular reason, I was much younger then. I had captured this new species for 15 years prior to describing it. Also attached a pair (male and female) C. atocala photographed together in one 35mm film image (upper image).
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